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best grease?

Discussion in 'Lubrication' started by Canadian_digger, Nov 1, 2007.

  1. daman

    daman Well-Known Member

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    Our long stick excavator used for dipping manure pits(sand extraction)holds up good with a the grease i mentioned above. And acidity manure as you can imagine is a very tough environment for pins and bushings.

    look at Schaeffer's #238 grease or Amsoils off road grease should do what you need very well.
     
  2. blitz138

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    JHESL,

    I can send you some sample cartridges if you want to try the Belray SP-6 I mentioned. If you want to get a pail then I would have to charge you for it, but I could give you your money back if it wont hold up. Its an aluminum complex that has been tested in salt water.
     
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    Cool. Thanks very much Blitz. Please PM me your email address and I will be in touch (once I get over the new year hangover!).
     
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    I see someone on here posted that they worked for lincoln in the past. I have a volvo l180 wheel loader i just purchased and it came with a lincoln auto lube system. is there a certain way to tell how often the system is greasing? and how do you know if every joint is getting grease as it should be? Also it currently has a tacky red grease in the bucket, but what i use is some of the kendall super blue on the rest of my machines. Would this work properly in the lincoln system? thanks in advance!!
     
  5. blitz138

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    zlssefi, If your using the modern quick lube system the main block should have pins that go in and out as the system is pumping. If something is clogged the pin will be stuck, it should stick out like a sore thumb. There is a timer, you will have to find it and see what it is set for. If it was a factory installed system you should be getting the right amounts as long as the timer is set correctly.

    For the Kendall super, how cold is it in the winter? What grade is it? If your hand pumping #2 grease in the rest of your machines, you may need to get a #1 or #0 grease for this machine. The Kendall grease is a lithium and I would GUESS the red tacky grease in the bucket is a lithium so they should be fine to mix. To be on the safe side I would clean out the bucket as well as you can then put your Super Blue in. Why super blue? its listed as an EP but it doesn't even pass the standard EP tests?
     
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    grease

    To my knowledge the system was installed at the factory.For the pins should you be able to move them by hand? or just when the system is injeecting the grease? Would the timer be under the grease bucket or would it be in a fuse block area? As far as the grease it self..around here the coldest it gets is zero for very limited amounts of time...generally in the 20s until late feb then starts warming up through the 30s. the blue is a number two grease but seems to "Run" pretty easily. Thanks for the reply!!
     
  7. blitz138

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    You should not be moving the pins by hand. Each block will have pins where the tubing comes out. When the pump is cycling the pins will be moving in and out to show that they are working. It may not have a timer from the factory and which would have it cycling every hour. Whenever I installed them, I would put the timer somewhere in the cab. The system should have a button to start all cycles of grease, I would guess the timer would be very near it.

    Heres a video from Lincoln, it may help you recognize the pins

    http://www.lincolnautolube.com/construction.htm
     
  8. Nige

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    Do you have the Operation & Maintenance Manual for your loader and does it say anything about the greasing system ..? Maybe even a wiring schematic might give you a clue if it shows where the lube pump gets its power from. On some smaller Cat machines that use Lincoln Quicklub system the timer interval is adjustable and is controlled by the machine electronics, you have to enter a certain mode in the electronic dashboard to re-program the time.
     
  9. JHESL

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    Just wanted to report back that the Belray grease blitz138 hooked me up with is the best we've tried so far. I don't have the specs handy, but will post them later. This stuff stands up to the extreme environment we're operating in and has way less splatter and washout than anything else we've tried over the years. Thanks blitz! I'm gonna order me a few more buckets of it today.
     
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    Bears out my previous experience that Bel-Ray greases are very good, if a little on the pricey side. However a grease that stands up to the job at any price is cheaper than downtime and parts resulting from using a grease that won't stand up ....... if that makes sense.
     
  11. JHESL

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    Yep. Exactly. Same thing I say about engine oil. I can't get why some guys try to save a few bucks on motor oil and end up spending thousands on rebuilds. Same goes for all lubrication, I guess...
    BTW: the Belray grease is way cheaper (less than 1/2 the price!) than the Green Dot stuff that I ordered previosuly, so I'm doubly happy.
    BIG thanks to blitz for hooking me up.
     
  12. JHESL

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    The grease I'm using is the Belray Termalene EP2 Ex Tacky grease. It retails for about $135 for a 35 lb pail. Worth every cent, in my opinion.
     
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    Im glad the Termalene worked well! But you aren't paying retail......I got you a deal. Now I need to talk to Nige and convince him to come to work for Belray lol. Let me know if you have any other issues I can help with.
     
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    I don't dig in water, but I have found a grease that resists water washout. We tried a lot of greases to find one that resisted washout by water based coolants in the machine shop and settled on Kendall SHP grease. The spec sheet says it's calcium sulfonate based and is good in corrosive conditiions - http://www.royalpetroleum.com/Uploads/safetysheets/item-1_field5-PIS - Kendall SHP.pdf - I'm also using in my Cat track loader pins and it seems to hold up quite well.
     
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    Calcium Sulp greases have alot of benefits. They are pretty good for water washout and the thickener itself has a good degree of EP properties. Looking at the Kendall PDS sheet I wonder what the 4ball weld load rating is as this is the test used to qualify whether it is an EP grease or not. Other than that it looks like a pretty decent grease I've never used it though. Wonder if Conoco calls it by another name as they are the blender.....
     
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    Judging by the 4-ball weld test scar size (0.39mm) I'd say that the 4-ball weld load ought to be pretty high, possibly in excess of 500kg. I agree that if they are calling in an EP grease the 4-ball test result should be there in order to prove it.

    If it's similar to most greases (not Bel-Ray I hasten to add), they all come out of the same plant anyway. The name of the company escapes me at the moment but they are out West somewhere. Only the fine details of the blend vary, and quite frankly you can have them blend anything you want if you buy enough of it.
     
  18. JHESL

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    Thanks Phil. I am very pleased with the Bel-Ray Termalene and the service we get from the folks at Bel-Ray. This grease holds up much better than anything else we've tried. With the punishing conditions that we work in down here - we're digging some heavy-ass blasted shot rock in 30' of salt water with a heavy stick extension on a Deere 800C - we need as extreme a grease as we can get. Just received another 8 buckets of it, which should keep the old 800 happy for a while. Even though I have to pay for shipping from New Jersey to Miami in order to get it shipped on to me, it's a good deal, IMV.
     
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    Have the lincolns not been sent to China for the manufacturing?
    The batteries have a horrendous recall since, according to warrenty reports.