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Best filter?

Discussion in 'Tractor/Loader/Backhoes' started by Clawed Backster, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. Clawed Backster

    Clawed Backster Well-Known Member

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    If you have been following my other thread about the Ford 555 transmission problems, you know that the torque converter broke internally and sent metal particles through the shuttle.
    I will soon be reassembling the whole thing, but I would like to utilize the best oil filter that I can get in case there are still some circulating particles in the oil. A Fram PH16 fits, and they are dirt cheap at Walmart, but I would like to find something better. There is room for basically any length filter.
    Recommendations?
     
  2. Delmer

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    That's an engine oil filter, right? it won't be hard to get a better filter than a fram engine oil filter. I'd go to the donaldson, or baldwin, or wix, catalog in pdf and find the thread size, gasket diameter, and match that up with a hydraulic filter in whatever length you want. Synthetic media will last longer, but not worth it to me if you plan to change the oil and filter soon.

    https://www.donaldson.com/content/d...00-ENG/Hydraulic-Filtration-Product-Guide.pdf
     
  3. Nige

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    What's the OEM Part Number to get a decent cross-reference..?
    Trying to figure it out using the Fram number is like trying to make a copy of a key that's already been copied who knows how many times before..?
    I'd go Donaldson for preference.
     
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  4. Clawed Backster

    Clawed Backster Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what the OEM filter # is. I am just going by what is on it now.
    I was mostly just asking for a brand recommendation. I had heard that WIX filters are generally pretty good quality, but wanted to hear some more opinions.
     
  5. Nige

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    Anything is better than Fram. An empty housing would be better than Fram.

    In that case - Donaldson
     
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  6. Delmer

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    You should find out what the oem filter number is. As Nige said, this is a Fram engine oil filter off the shelf at walmart, that mostly fits. What do you think the chances are that it's the correct filter? Get the correct number and it might be the bigger one you're looking for, at least it will be a benchmark to decide if you want to improve, then you know what should be there.

    It might be the correct filter, given that this is a ford, and a transmission filter wasn't a high art at that time. An engine oil filter wouldn't be unusual.
     
  7. Nige

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    From your other thread I saw you had "a manual". I was under the impression that you had access to parts & service information. If not maybe someone else can chime in regarding what the OEM Part Number of the filter is supposed to be.
     
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    Deleted the rest of what I originally posted as I saw that the filter I had found on the Ford/New Holland site was the wrong thread size if the PH16 has the right threads.

    Guess we need to know more details of this Ford Backhoe.

    OP should go to:

    https://partstore.agriculture.newholland.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::model_find

    And put in his model number and go from there. There is a long list of 555's that come up there!

    Then take the part number listed there and go to Donaldson at:

    https://shop.donaldson.com/store/en-us/home

    And search for the Ford part number there.
     
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  9. Clawed Backster

    Clawed Backster Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I do have a manual at home, and it should have the factory filter part number.
    I, however, am at work, and remembered the Fram number.
    Like I said, I was just really looking for a high quality brand that people have had good success with, and would recommend.
    Thanks
     
  10. Ct Farmer

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    Have had good luck with Donaldson, Baldwin and Wix. Only a few Wix but they are the only one that has a few fuel filters we need. Really like Baldwin for hydraulic filters.

    Thing to watch for on cross references is the micron rating. Often cross lists will show a filter that fits but has a higher than OEM micron rating.

    As stated best to know OEM specs first. Then choose a filter.

    Fram filters do have a purpose - we use 'em to prefilter waste oil for the furnace. Gets the sticks and rocks out.
     
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    In technical terminology - "dogs, small children, & tree branches" .......... :):)
     
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    I didn't think about caring about a decent quality filter for these beasts, now I do, and I've taken notes. Thanks fellas!
     
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    As everyone else has said, don't. I've been using the Baldwin BT5. OEM spec and at the time I bought a bunch of them, cheap to me due the volume of Baldwin filters we were buying. You can cross that number to WIX or Napa. You're dealing with a catastrophic failure and must sanitize the inside of that transmission housing, front to back and every piece in between. When that's done, a filter change frequently will take care of anything you missed. The previous owner(s) did nothing for a very long time producing the clogged screen that you have now. If I were you, I'd buy a filter cutter and open up the first filter after a days work and see what's between the pleats. Depending upon what you find, you can schedule your next filter change accordingly, but will eventually find that annual then 200 hour intervals are more than sufficient. The Ford shuttle is a beast. A little care goes a very long way.
     
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    Good Grief Nige ! Good call on the Fram filters. :eek:
    Too bad the fellow only did some automotive filters.
     
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    Do you seriously expect their non-automotive filters to be any different as regards quality..?

    It's a shame he didn't cut a Donaldson filter open and compare it to the others.........
     
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    No, I certainly expect the industrial and construction equipment filters to be the same cheap crap.
    I would have liked to have seen a Donaldson and a Fleetguard cut open also.
    I think the creator of the video is probably a car and light truck type person.
     
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    Yes but that black grip paint on the Fram makes up for the crap inside the can!
     
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    Actually, that black grippy stuff is a great idea for filters. I wish the other makers would put it on theirs. However, after watching that video, I won't be buying a Fram ever again.
     
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    Yes ! And ole dumass just put a new Fram on his backhoe. 0 time on it and it is coming off as soon as I get a replacement.
     
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    It is amazing how poorly some of the name brand stuff is. People get all excited by K&N filters. Their oil filters are rebranded junk. Their air filters let particles so. If pass through you might as well run without it.