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Ax Men

Discussion in 'Forestry Operations' started by EZ TRBO, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. curly

    curly Well-Known Member

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    Well seeing as his operation looked pretty goofy to begin with (who goes out with a dead motor!) I think he can really claim ignorance. I mean heck, seeing his temper and complete lack of preparation (running out of gas) and the way he is skimming to save money it's a wonder nobody was killed or seriously injured.
     
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    I am wondering how much tax money this would amount to ? do they figure the tax by Footage or value?
     
  3. John C.

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    It's not a matter of tax money. Basically the state owns the timber and the logger didn't pay for it in the first place. I don't believe the state is going to accept any less money for that timber than they do for logs on the stump. The cost of going down and getting it makes the business unprofitable. So it stays there.

    That's why I say the logger has no concept of the business world. He should have known about all this and gone to the state to make a deal where both entities could have made some money.

    If curley's post is correct, then this guy is another flake that gives the logging industry a bad name. I give them an A for idea and effort and an F for execution. Hopefully they don't kill someone with their idea.

    The part not stated here is what was the effect of the production company? Was this outfit encouraged in their endeavor because of the amount of money the production company paid them for the right to film? One would have to look at that amount and decide if the production company is culpable in the theft. I would hazard a guess of that money being far more than what they recovered in logs.
     
  4. td8

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    What it comes down to is that the people that are running our government are a bunch of morons.This guy is just a poor man trying to make a living and the way I see it.He is doing everybody a favor by getting rid of these logs out of the river.But the state wants it both ways they say its their logs but I will bet you if anyone hits one and destroys their boat they will say their not responsible.
     
  5. curly

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    From what I see, most of the rivers he is in are little more than sloughs. Not really used much.
     
  6. Taylortractornu

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    I cant stand to watch that show any more. I have seen one episode of American Logger and like it. They show more euipment and alot less BS. I'd probably have to kill Jesse if he talked like that to me. Idont think and of the other workers respect him. I dont then His skycar hit that tree the only tree they left and it hits it. That fit throwing gets me Id probably show up Monday with a box of Midol, some Kotex and maybe a pacifier. That Aqua logger should appreciate his son even helping him. His whole outfit looks like a joke. I mean the barge looks ok Ive got a friend that built his own with a knuckle boom to drive poles for boat houses. His set up wit hthe little out board and the winch that keeps blowing lines and other parts. I cant really think of a way to explain it without ot making him sound like and idiot but the whole way he cusses his son and other help about trying to lasso that an not moving fast enough. He should use the little boat to catch the othe logs that are half floating then tie to the barge.
    Im all for the little man prevailing and working with what you have, Belive me theres still folks around her that are hauling logs with 1 ton trucks with tag axles. I saw a preveiw the other day showing him jerking the blade of his little IH dozer up and down mad. And the way he left that hydraulic shop whipping out infront of that other driver thats plain childish. I know logging espesially that type it superdangerous but I still think alot of its put on.
    I had an old friend of ours that worked for us at the landfill and he was always in a hurry just like that. He got hurt about 6 times pretty good.
    My wife saw it the other night when the winch kept stalling she told me I bet you could fix that. I wished i could help the old fellow out hes got too big of a hydraulic motor for his pump or too much flow. I think hes using a vane pump and a gear motor. He should use an orbit motor and a gear pump. I have mixed feelings on the taxes, I think he should have reseached but Im not sure of the salvage rules there. Its like here The landfill I run is hollow. We dump rubbish mostly wood product. Icant dump the same thing on my land all I want to but if I take payment to let folks dump I can get fined and have to clean it up. I missed this episode I may try to watch it next week with the other.
     
  7. woodchuck2

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    IMO the show is getting too much drama. If i wanted to watch drama i would watch the soaps with the wife, at those shows have hot women on them.

    That aqua logger is a hammerhead, he is a walking accident right there. Some of those logs he could have pulled without a boat and that money could have been spent on far better equipment than what he is using. All he does is run around screaming, his equipment sucks and he is very unorganized. He has quite an opportunity to make money but man is he fouling it up. As far as the state goes i would tell them to pound it. I could see him needing a permit to log on the waterway but not for each log individually. The state will make their money after he sells his product, they should be happy that he is cleaning up the waterways and in a sense is recycling.
     
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    Just curious,why do they(ax men)wear suspenders?
     
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    Firemen

    And then why do firemen wear suspenders? (There is a reason.)
     
  10. John C.

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    Belts are tough enough that if you ever get snagged by the choker or a main line you will get thrown plenty far enough to get killed. Suspenders will just rip off. You also have to cut of your pants about mid calf. You take the seam out for the broken limbs you step over when dancing on the downed trees. Then you fray out the legs so they will rip when the broken limb goes up your leg anyway.

    Its a tough business.
     
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    some of the equipment they show on the show are really interesting. they're gigantic!
     
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    i told you earlier- now lets see if anyone else can get it right....
     
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    turnouts are too heavy without them
     
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    because you couldn't pay the suspenders enough to wear the firemen. they smell.
     
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    *** (sigh I'm sad non of my smilies work anymore :( boo for HEF's new profanity filter) I felt bad for the boy with his dad screamin at him like that. . . There was no need for it he was trying his hardest especially if he had never done it before. It should be about teaching him stuff. If that was my dad I woulda just walked off, I wouldn't take his crap especially if he was telling me I wasn't doing it fast enough or w/e. When you start yellin at me for crap I can't help I'd tell you to take a hike. I think that's what the boy shoulda done . . even parents can learn from their kids.
     
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    This show is like an accident. I just have to watch ... :confused:

    I like to see some of the equipment they are using, but I cannot stand the theatrics, which I know they are only doing because of the camera.
     
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    BINGO!:usa
     
  18. EZ TRBO

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    Not arguing with you but I've been following this issue quite a bit on the Arborist site and the guys from around the area say that the timber industry plays second fiddle to the fishing industry and ANYTHING being done in the water needs to be permited and such. The guy has no sense and his body is about 5 steps ahead of his brain at all times. Nice thing bout DVR, I can skip past his parts which I do quite often.

    Trbo
     
  19. td8

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    I agree with you that the guy is a idiot and I don't like watching him either.But what gets me is that the government wants their hand in everything going.And people wonder why jobs are moving overseas.
     
  20. Monte1255

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    Thoughts on Ax Men

    Maybe this is a little bit late to join the conversation, but I watched both seasons of Ax men from start to finish, Good guys all of them, I learned a lot from how the mountain loggers do it, and even came away with some good ideas to apply to my own business. I guess the only thing I noticed and it seemed was quite prevelent is the tempers. Scary thought as to what a bad temper can to to you in the wrong situation. Know what I mean?:usa