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Another Perkins Pukes

74inchShovel

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Jan 19, 2008
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Washington
My thinking on the 3024 is that 60 hp is alot to ask from a 2.2 liter diesel. I have two in service, a 3024 and a 3013, both came from the factory set up to run high idle at 2800 rpm, to obtain listed horsepower. To me, in a motor this compact, there is only so much room for bearing area on rods, mains, and something has to give if motor is run hard. A few years back, this type of horsepower came from motors almost twice as big. They would wear out after 5-10 thousand hours, they would seldom break. There is a difference. The first thing I did on both machines was detune about 15% rpm- I am hoping it helps.
 

Z'mnypit

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Sep 16, 2010
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South
My perkins that recently died I posted about was the 3034. It seized the #4 rod bearing. Machine was serviced at 729hrs and died at 796hrs
 

KSSS

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Feb 27, 2005
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Idaho
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excavation
I believe CAT signed an agreement to start using CNH engines. Not sure when that kicks off, but it is to met the new tier requirements and as it looks maybe clear up a few other "issues".
 

docjmj

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Mar 17, 2011
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Idaho
Should have mentioned that this is the second 242b I've owned. The first went through 2 engines before 500 hours. So I'll soon be on my 5th engine in about 1200 hours.
 

WV earth mover

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WV
A freind of mine has a 236 he bought new in 02 and motor went at 100 hrs cat warrantied and no problem sense but they also said it was a factory flaw just not what the flaw was. My 236B has the newer mitsubishi and sense oct 06 and 2100hrs ive never bought a part for it
 

billybob1

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Apr 21, 2012
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South Bend Indiana
Sorry to rehash an old thread, but I thought this might be relevant. There is a service letter for failed engine oil pumps on these machines and the fix is replacement of the engine.

Service Letter PS51867
Product support program to address loss of engine oil pressure related to the oil pump idler gear dowels on certain C2.2 engines installed in 216B, 226B, 232B, 242B skid steer loaders, and 247B and 257B Multi Terrain loaders, and C1.5 engines installed in CB22 compactors.
After Failure Only
Termination Date 31Jul2012
 

xcmark

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Feb 28, 2010
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Foxboro , Ma.
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construction
good heads up maybe Cat may make good and a few failer that the owners paid for ??????
 

dmaxlb7

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Sep 7, 2010
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minnesota
Has anyone ever rebuilt a c2.2/3024c? Currently have one apart that spun a connecting rod bearing. Wondering if it's worth messing with.
 

smittysrepair

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Dec 25, 2010
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Grimsley Tn.
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Technical Specialist
I was just wondering if anyone here can answer this about the failed Perkins engines. On the ones that are spinning rod bearings. Do they have the standard rods that are machined where the cap mates up to the rod, or are they the fractured style rods that have the rough feel where the cap meats up to the rod? I am just wondering because I do remember there being a notice that came out about that several years ago. Thanks for the input guys.
 

tttahoe1

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Jul 20, 2009
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Sacramento, CA
Has anyone ever rebuilt a c2.2/3024c? Currently have one apart that spun a connecting rod bearing. Wondering if it's worth messing with.

I would strongly assume they are worth rebuilding as a new one would run you a minimum of $5k, but - as I have never rebuilt one - I look forward to input from the experienced folks here on the thread.
 

dmaxlb7

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minnesota
Yeah I'm gonna bore it out and put oversized pistons in it and machine the crank. Machining is going to cost me about $400 for everything so that's not too bad. Is there any thing to removing the injection pump? The crank is also a ball bearing type. Never seen that before.
 

ih100

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Peterborough UK
If it's a ball bearing crank, it isn't a Perkins. I think you must be mistaking the circular bearing carriers for ball bearings.
 

dmaxlb7

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minnesota
I dunno. I have to slide it out the end of the block to get it out. There are no main caps. Just one bolt in the center of each main bearing. The engine is a 3024c.
 

ih100

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Think you'll find when you get the crank out, those carriers will split in half and release the crank. When you get the crank out, mark the carriers in pairs as they are different sizes. You fit the wrong one to the wrong journal and it won't go all the way back into the block.
 

darren98

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May 17, 2012
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berkshires
I was using my Cat 248 this morning to clear snow and the oil light/beeper came on. Within a few seconds I heard a rod knock and tried to get the machine turned around and off the road, but it locked up tight a few seconds later. I'm pretty upset about this, I didn't check but I think there are just 1300+ hours on it and I've serviced it as recommended since new. I always let the machine warm up before working it hard and let it cool down before shutting it off.

So are these things rebuildable or is it junk? Not what I needed at all during these tough economic times.
Now you have me nervous i just purchased one on sunday with 1900 hrs on it
 

jrtraderny

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Nov 26, 2006
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New York
I'd just like to know how some of these other guys made out with Cat backing them up ?
Everyone comes on here and says they have one that puked and then they disappear without telling us the outcome.
jr
 

Steve Frazier

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Oct 30, 2003
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LaGrangeville, N.Y.
I didn't have any luck with Caterpillar, and I still haven't been able to tear it down. Due to the poor economy, I had to make a career change and my schedule just keeps me too busy. I spoke with a mechanic last month and he offered to have a look at it, but we haven't been able to get together since. Sorry I don't have more input.
 

smokey1

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Jan 12, 2009
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West Bridgewater,MA.
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I have a perkins 804 c 33 in a racoon skid steer. It is a fine engine, but It likes a good oil filter. I had no trouble until i went to a perkins shop looking for an oil filter. The employee subed it out to a wix , and when I picked it up it had been again subed out to a napa gold filter. This filter is real junk and they should not be used on the 800 series engines. The oil preasure developed in the engine is far too great for the can or the oil bypass valve. On the first very cold morning in the winter, the can will blow up in size, jam the bypass valve in the filter and blow out the filter gasket! Within a few short minutes you will dump all your oil and the first bearing to spin will be the #4 rod bearing. Catipillar is using the perkins engines in some of their skid steers and they are using the Donaldson oil filter. The filter looks to be well constructed and the oil ring gasket is very heavy duty. . lucked out on the spun bearing. The engine was shut down for a few minutes and the hot babbit on the bearing froze the engine right up. The crank cleaned up real good and the new bearings miked right up within specs. There are warnings in the manuals, about using only filters recomended by perkins. Bottom line is it's a great engine and it has a gotten a bad rap or rep because of after market filters.
 
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