Air filter upgrade for dusty environment

[WesRo]

[sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, please direct me to the right place]

Hi, I have some small equipment that does not have a safety air filter (backup/secondary), other equipment I have use both primary and safety air filters. All the air filters I have are radial seal.

I had a primary filter which was defect from the factory, and the equipment did not have a safety filter, only the wire screen. That caused a lot of fine dust to go into the engine, you can guess what happens then...

I'm looking on how I can avoid this in the future, and to protect the rest of my equipment, because just relying on a single outer air filter is not good enough, if it fails or defect, you general wont know until its too late.

I'm currently looking to replace the whole air housing with something like this G065411 (2.5 inch outlet requirement, and this supports a real safety filter), but the cost of the air box ($180) + the mounting bracket ($40) gets very expensive.

So my question is how does everyone else deal with this? How do you add redundancy for air filtration?

 

[ozarkag]

So much cheaper than an engine rebuild. . . Is that price with filters included?

Or try an aftermarket from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/LEAPTREND-G057512-Compatible-Donaldson-Radialseal/dp/B0CKDRGL6G/ref=vse_cards_0?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=zc6UD&content-id=amzn1.sym.d752ec6c-5f89-4105-88ea-ba8ba2796921&pf_rd_p=d752ec6c-5f89-4105-88ea-ba8ba2796921&pf_rd_r=JWXYQDQ3HFFS8FDK237E&pd_rd_wg=sEpQz&pd_rd_r=418ada0d-78f4-49d7-ba05-daad677cf5d3

 

[WesRo]

Yeah it is cheaper then a rebuild, I just cant believe manufactures skip on the safety filter. I just wonder how everyone else handles this, I had two filters in a row with defects (from different manufactures).

Does anyone else even notice "light dust" on the intake from a defect filter? and I mean really light. I'd imagine thats ready bad for the engine, but maybe some people does not notice small defects/sealing issues in the filter.

I'm trying to avoid "aftermarket" because the filter manufactures have warranties for their filters, and I dont want any chance of denying a claim.

 

[MarshallPowerGen]

What equipment are you running and what filter numbers are you dealing with? Any chance of adding a foam outer element around the primary that can keep the dust out and be blown out with compressed air when needed?

 

[treemuncher]

So much cheaper than an engine rebuild. . . Is that price with filters included?

Or try an aftermarket from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/LEAPTREND-G057512-Compatible-Donaldson-Radialseal/dp/B0CKDRGL6G/ref=vse_cards_0?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=zc6UD&content-id=amzn1.sym.d752ec6c-5f89-4105-88ea-ba8ba2796921&pf_rd_p=d752ec6c-5f89-4105-88ea-ba8ba2796921&pf_rd_r=JWXYQDQ3HFFS8FDK237E&pd_rd_wg=sEpQz&pd_rd_r=418ada0d-78f4-49d7-ba05-daad677cf5d3

I'm always tight with money but that link brings up a selection of AF housing units for dirt cheap insurance. If you can't afford $70-$150 for a decent air filtration system, then you should not be able to afford the fuel for the engine!

Work out the cost of a good air filtration system over a period of 5 years and it's one of the cheapest things you can do to extend the life of an engine. You are purchasing an "insurance policy" for your engine, or in the case of a cabin air filter, a policy for your health. Get over the initial cost and rest assured you have made a solid investment with a huge payback. Be too cheap to fix it and you are just throwing money down the toilet.

If you are that worried about a few bucks for replacement filters, invest in an https://www.airfilterblaster.com/ to safely clean your filters without damage. This tool will pay for itself in a short order of time. Mine paid for itself within 6 month with me working solo.

 

[heymccall]

What machine?

If it takes radial seal, many times a safety can be added.

 

[WesRo]

To be honest, $220 for a complete air cleaner is not bad in this day (yes it comes with both inner and outer filters), but I think, if I remember correctly, those filters were way cheaper a few years ago.

Yes, a safety filter can be added, however, it is a metal screen type. A real safety filter uses a paper type element. The machines in question are mostly brand new.

Also, I never ever blow clean a filter, they just get replaced when full or about 1 year. I take air filters very seriously.

 

[56wrench]

Can you add a snorkel to get the air intake higher?

 

[MarshallPowerGen]

Also, I never ever blow clean a filter, they just get replaced when full or about 1 year. I take air filters very seriously.

Only talking about blowing out a dusty outer foam element. Air filters just get replaced.

 

[IceHole]

To be honest, $220 for a complete air cleaner is not bad in this day (yes it comes with both inner and outer filters), but I think, if I remember correctly, those filters were way cheaper a few years ago.

Yes, a safety filter can be added, however, it is a metal screen type. A real safety filter uses a paper type element. The machines in question are mostly brand new.

Also, I never ever blow clean a filter, they just get replaced when full or about 1 year. I take air filters very seriously.

We blow them out at least weekly at work on the street sweepers. Some are 30 years old with near 20k hours so must not be all that bad.
They get replaced every few years.

I think they should get replaced at 500hrs, so twice a season, but not my call.

 

[jonno634]

I'm always tight with money but that link brings up a selection of AF housing units for dirt cheap insurance. If you can't afford $70-$150 for a decent air filtration system, then you should not be able to afford the fuel for the engine!

Work out the cost of a good air filtration system over a period of 5 years and it's one of the cheapest things you can do to extend the life of an engine. You are purchasing an "insurance policy" for your engine, or in the case of a cabin air filter, a policy for your health. Get over the initial cost and rest assured you have made a solid investment with a huge payback. Be too cheap to fix it and you are just throwing money down the toilet.

If you are that worried about a few bucks for replacement filters, invest in an https://www.airfilterblaster.com/ to safely clean your filters without damage. This tool will pay for itself in a short order of time. Mine paid for itself within 6 month with me working solo.

On our combine’s we blow out the primary filter daily, as we are in very dusty conditions. We don’t touch the safety filter, it’s changed yearly (about 200 hours). If we ever see safety filter getting dirty, we replace the primary filter. This has worked well for us for over 30 years, with multiple different combines.

 

[MarshallPowerGen]

I've seen some pretty wild stuff still run...

 

[daveyclimber]

I have an airfilter blaster too but I hate it. The Filter is always dirty inside after cleaning. So I use a typhoon nozzle, clean filter 1.or 2 times a day, replace the primary every 7-10 days and saftey every 2 primary changes.

 

[daveyclimber]

Is that engine turbocharged? Did it blow the seals if it is turbocharged?

 

[MarshallPowerGen]

Is that engine turbocharged? Did it blow the seals if it is turbocharged?

If you're asking about my pics, it was an NA Deutz 3 cylinder in a Genie lift that a customer had bought at auction and run into the dirt on their property. Don't remember why they finally brought it in, but it was a mess in every way imaginable.