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a mixer full of mud

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by Muffler Bearing, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. Muffler Bearing

    Muffler Bearing Senior Member

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    Hey Gang, So I vowed this would never happen on my watch,and as luck would have it, I was on a plane headed East when it did. I'd like to think things would have turned out different if I was there but... oh well... The truck had 10 yards of concrete on it when it stopped running, the driver cranked and cranked and wasted allot of time before he called in. When help arrived they spent more time trying to get it running. Finally they tried hooking jumper hoses to another truck, but by then there was no killing the load. Turns out the fuel pump stopped making pressure. Not sure if we will try chipping it out.
     

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  2. willie59

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    Chipping it out? 10 yds of readymix? You ain't gonna put me in that hole. :D
     
  3. Squizzy246B

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    You need to follow the Mythbusters Golden Rule:

    "If in doubt...C4
     
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    ouch....
     
  5. RonG

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    I have done quite a few over the years.If you have a good demo man it can save a lot of work.We used to put a large window fan over the hopper to keep the air flowing by drawing it in through the inspection hatch in the drum.It was a rainy day job for us and sometimes could take months to complete.
    Once in a while a poorly executed shot would open up a seam on the drum but that can be fixed.We always tried to be careful about denting the drum with hammers or whatever because that produced points of accelerated wear after it went back in service.
    I am sure sucking up that dust is one of the reasons that I cannot breathe well today.Ron G
     
  6. tonka

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    Just call Mcnellis and get a new drum, your gonna spend more in labor and time getting 10 yards of concreet out, than the price of a new drum!
     
  7. Muffler Bearing

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    Yeah, I am definately not getting in there, our normal chipper guy said $4500. The drum is only a year old, so some thought is going towards saving it. We'll see what happens, it is out of my hands. Oh, I heard that when the jumpers got hooked up, and it made it's first revolution, the drive tires on one side lifted in the air!
    I've almost tipped a stalled one over in an intersection getting it started, and I was being really careful. I swear I saw a steer lift up but I would think if the drives go it's over!
     
  8. digger242j

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    A long, long time ago, I worked for a small time concrete contractor that owned two mixers himself. One had a pony motor (Ford 289), to run the mixer.

    The same thing happened one day when that pony motor quit. Fortunately, this happened while he was still at the batch plant, and they were able to turn the drum partway and hose some of the load out through the access hatch. It still ended up with a good few yards stuck in it. Yeah, even though I had nothing to do with it, I had my day in the barrell on that one.

    For 10 yards, I'd be seriously thinking about a new drum...

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    As I hit the post button, it occurred to me to ask how old the drum is to begin with. I guess that answers that question. What does a new drum cost?
     
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  9. DigDug

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    To bad to hear that. I bet the new protcol for stalled trucks is send out a jumper truck to get barrell rolling again . Good Luck with it.
     
  10. tonka

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    Um just wondering whats a new drum cost?
     
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    Out here I've seen a lot of drums that look like there made from fiberglass or CF. I bet there no jackhammering those!
     
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    Bit late - but I have been told to throw sugar in to slow cement from harding in drum- I have never done it.
     
  13. tonka

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    Ok i'm from Cali born and raised. I also been around mixers all my life and i have never seen one made out of fiberglass or carbonfiber. Besides carbonfiber costs way more than regular steel.
     
  14. surfer-joe

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    Vietnam solution:

    Find two Marines with pump shotguns and buckshot.

    Find eight to ten convicted felons. (Volunteers)

    Set Marines to stand watch over felons.

    Equip felons with one air compressor, two long air hoses, two 80 pound jackhammers and two 60 pound jackhammers.

    Mix felons and jackhammers inside mixer. Cook in normal daytime temps up to 120 degrees.

    Allow felons one hour for lunch and rest. Otherwise work felons twelve hours

    This recipe may take several days to finish.
     
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    The sugar will retard the set but it has to be mixed into the concrete to work,at least that is my understanding of it.I have not used it or seen it used,only hearsay.Ron G
     
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    Would be nice if we used the Vietnam solution here in the states!
     
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    Tonka

    I have seen the new style drums, and they look similar to fiberglass, but apparently with some exotic materials. They say there is enough weight savings to get another half yard of crete in it. I don't know about that, as I did not think the steel ones were THAT heavy.
    After I wrote that, I looked it up, and they are composite, with HDPE in it. Found out about one with 50,000 yards hauled, and they measured it at only 30% worn. Article said thet steel is usually nearly finished by that time.

    They are out here though.
    I found this info
    http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/trucks_mcneilus_bets_composite/


    As far as cleaning the old one, I like SurferJoe's method best.

    I have done it before, and it is no fun.
     
  18. Steve Frazier

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    You are correct Ron, the sugar must be blended with the load to be effective. The union I belonged to had two concrete companies signed and I worked with some of the drivers at a freight company and they told me of this method. The drum must still be working for the sugar to work.
     
  19. mudmaker

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    That is what I like about the Drum Jumper. http://www.drumjumper.com/ You can just send out a guy in a pickup which is normally much quicker and easier than another truck. If I was still in the RM business I would either buy one or rig one up myself.
     
  20. Cretebaby

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    All the new ones here are composite.

    Lighter and wears longer.

    They kinda look goofy, they are dimpled on the outside kinda like an orange.