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318BL Stick Cylinder Repacking Job

Metalman 55

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We pulled the stick cylinder off of the 318 excavator & just nicely got into it & got a good soaking!!

At least the rain quit & we were able to carry on.

The 100mm nut has a torque rating of over 5000 ft/lbs!!

Well, looks like we are going to need some leverage to get her off!!o_O
 

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Here we go with a home made wench, made at a local cutting shop!

For leverage we have about 9 1/2' radius from the center of the nut rotation.

Off it came with the help of our come-along!

Now we wait for the seal kit to come in........hopefully tomorrow!
 

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Do you have a 5000# torque wrench? :p
WELL, sort of a red neck one.........same wrench only in reverse this time...........we marked the nut location before we started turning relative to that little piece at the end that retains the snubber (it is stationary) & then counted the turns until it came off. That will get it close enough for us I'm thinking..........hope so anyhow!!
 

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WELL, sort of a red neck one.........same wrench only in reverse this time...........we marked the nut location before we started turning relative to that little piece at the end that retains the snubber (it is stationary) & then counted the turns until it came off. That will get it close enough for us I'm thinking..........hope so anyhow!!
Yeah, I have no idea why they torque those so dam tight. I have never heard a real good explanation on that either.
 

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Well, the seal kit came in, however it was missing this guide/wear band, which apparently does not come with the reseal kit, must be ordered separate!!

Sooo, we wait another day for it to come!! Wonder why it would not be complete?;)
 

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Answer to your question.
If that bearing was fibre it would be part of the seal kit.
Because it's metal it's listed separately. Allegedly it's to keep the cost of the kit down when a reseal is required but without replacing the bearing. At $100 retail it would increase the price of the seal kit ($335) by 35%.
 

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Answer to your question.
If that bearing was fibre it would be part of the seal kit.
Because it's metal it's listed separately. Allegedly it's to keep the cost of the kit down when a reseal is required but without replacing the bearing. At $100 retail it would increase the price of the seal kit ($335) by 35%.

Yeah, I see where the replacement is called metal, yet the old one appears to be fiber........perhaps they switched to a different matl?? Fiber would seem more forgiving & less apt to score what it is riding against??

I guess we'll know better tomorrow, when the new one arrives??
 

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The reason the nut is so tight is because they come loose if they aren't. I've been call to several machines where the shade tree guys burned the nut off and then hammered the new nut back on. A week or so later I got the call of the function getting stuck in motion. Take a hammer and center the spool, make things safe and remove the cylinder only to find the nut was loose and damage was done. Lots of thing can be done "good enough" when getting a machine running again. Those cylinders have to be "done right."

Nice work on getting that cylinder apart without damaging something or getting someone hurt.
 

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Yeah, I see where the replacement is called metal, yet the old one appears to be fiber........perhaps they switched to a different matl?? Fiber would seem more forgiving & less apt to score what it is riding against??
Well I guess it ought to ride against the chrome of the rod, with X thousandths of clearance for an oil film of course. There is nothing I can see in the way of updates showing the replacement of a fibre bush with a metal bearing. The metal bearing has been there since Day Dot as far as I can tell.

You've piqued my curiousity now. Do you have a Part Number for the Cylinder Assembly.? If not the machine S/No will work.

The other explanation might well be that someone in the past resealed the cylinder using a non-OEM seal kit containing a fibre bush in place of the metal ring.
Lots of thing can be done "good enough" when getting a machine running again. Those cylinders have to be "done right."
And that's why dealers have cylinder benches in their hydraulics shop, to "do it right". Like John I've seen a fair few f**ked cylinder, control valves, and systems full of sparklies in my time as a result of people who either didn't know any better or couldn't care less using shade tree methods in an attempt to tighten those nuts.

As a suggestion put a good dollop of Loctite on it when you reassemble everything, just in case. (Original spec does not call for thread lock)
 

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Well I guess it ought to ride against the chrome of the rod, with X thousandths of clearance for an oil film of course. There is nothing I can see in the way of updates showing the replacement of a fibre bush with a metal bearing. The metal bearing has been there since Day Dot as far as I can tell.

You've piqued my curiousity now. Do you have a Part Number for the Cylinder Assembly.? If not the machine S/No will work.

Ser #3LR00468 for the machine. Would there be a tag on the cylinder for its own ser #? I could look next time out there..........thanks
 

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Would there be a tag on the cylinder for its own ser #? I could look next time out there
There should be a rectangular metal tag spot-welded somewhere on the cylinder barrel. I'd like to say close to the head end but I've seen them installed all over cylinders TBH.

For your Serial Number 3LR00468 the system shows a Stick Cylinder Assembly Group Part Number 147-5759 and seal kit 209-5959. However the bush is shown as 096-4430 (which by the name I reckon is fibre not metal), NOT 128-9260. See attached. This is the cylinder on your machine, but I'd like proof in the form of a tag from the cylinder itself.
 

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Cancel what I said above..........!! There are two Part Numbers of Stick Cylinder...!

147-5759 - Seal kit 209-5959 - bush 096-4430
147-5760 - Seal Kit 165-9419 - bearing 128-9260.

Basically there are no common parts. Even the rod, head, cylinder, & piston plus of course all the seals are different between the two cylinder P/Ns.
Have you installed all the parts of the 209-5959 seal kit yet.? Do they fit.? If they do then my considered opinion is that you have a 147-5759 Cylinder As and therefore require an 096-4430 fibre bush to fit in the head.
 

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Cancel what I said above..........!! There are two Part Numbers of Stick Cylinder...!

147-5759 - Seal kit 209-5959 - bush 096-4430
147-5760 - Seal Kit 165-9419 - bearing 128-9260.

Basically there are no common parts. Even the rod, head, cylinder, & piston plus of course all the seals are different between the two cylinder P/Ns.
Have you installed all the parts of the 209-5959 seal kit yet.? Do they fit.? If they do then my considered opinion is that you have a 147-5759 Cylinder As and therefore require an 096-4430 fibre bush to fit in the head.

All parts from kit # 209-5959 fit the head ok, although some are a bit different than original.....likely a change up, with the exception of the fiber brush, which is on order.

No seals have been installed on the piston as of yet, but they did look correct.
 

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On my B and C machines, the number is stamped into the barrel. It takes some looking, but, IIRC, it was closer to the gland end. And long ways. Barrel flat on table, it reads left to right, near the gland end.
 
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