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will I kill my truck or someone else? DT/466 GCVWR?
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kshansen
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Yea! That might be able to handle the loads!
If you sell it to him let me know when it is heading to NH, I'd offer to buy him dinner when he's passing through Central NY on his way home!
How can he pass it up, custom built Mack and free meal!
Willie B
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WOW!
I was at 66,000lbs on trailer 25 ton tag and about 20,000lbs truck with 330hp 6 speed allison, man that was slow, I bumped up to 400hp 13 speed truck is 23000lbs with same trailer and all is good. If it's pretty flat you can get away with a lot of weight if it's once in awhile. Long as the truck is in good working order, running it WOT for a few minutes to get up to speed won't hurt anything.
Willie B
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DAMN that's nice. Needs a coat of fire red paint to be perfect.
Truck Shop
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The reason it's the color it is-because there's already too many red and black dogs, that color is a one off.
Truck Shop
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First thing to go will be the rear springs.
Willie B
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But, but, but, I always have red.
Willie B
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I drove 9 hour round trip to look at a backhoe that had been totally misrepresented. I wouldn't have bought it at half the asking price, nothing on it worked!
The owner, a man who has about ten aliases, but one address, I've learned buys & sells tractors, he isn't above fraudulent misrepresentation.
He is heavily into modified class tractor pulling. He exclusively uses DT466, claims he can get 1600 horsepower from them before the crank breaks, & the next engine is under $1000. Everything else he told me was a lie, so I wouldn't be surprized if this too was a lie.
I would be willing to bet that a 466 would stand up to making double the power but then it wouldn't be the reliable 466 every one has they last for ever at double the power they wouldn't make it 30 years in a 2 ton because of the typical driver
kshansen
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What power any engine can make depends on how long you expect/or need it to last! The higher you go on the horse power the faster the failures start coming.
Also how you use that horse power. A Porsche 911 can be had with a 473H.P. engine but I would not expect that engine to hold up very long pulling a trailer at the legal limits for an 18 wheeler on the interstate! Might make one trip up one of those grades in the Pacific Northwest.
Also how you use that horse power. A Porsche 911 can be had with a 473H.P. engine but I would not expect that engine to hold up very long pulling a trailer at the legal limits for an 18 wheeler on the interstate! Might make one trip up one of those grades in the Pacific Northwest.
I wouldnt trust what he said the crank braking is just a small part of what happens the block will some times brake into 3 parts.I am about 4 miles from a guy that builds 466s he has 2 dynos. I dont know if 1600 is possible but i think a little over 1000 is. I think i heard a engine can run $40.000. Very scary stuff.
Truck Shop
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What's the point, get a bigger truck. IMO.
skyking1
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^This! I went back and read that the OP was really talking about hiring to haul customer equipment. Above the 15k excavator he has, I think that's a bad idea.
crane operator
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If he's hauling for someone else, that's a whole different can of worms, I bet he hasn't got DOT #'s and all the insurance and paperwork that goes with that. He's just trying to bill a little more time hauling some stuff for other people. Which is all fine until something happens, then who pays for a $50,000 backhoe that the dump truck excavation company isn't licensed or insured for, or the rental company that hired him to haul it. Sounds like more hassle than I would want.
He's in New Hampshire, so I'm going to assume some hills involved. I don't think I'd want more than 15-20,000 lbs piece of equipment behind a single axle dump and tandem trailer, on a regular basis. In flat country with a experienced driver, well that's a different story.
I guess I'd want to know more of the original poster's experience, before I would recommend a load. I'm going to guess not a lot of experience, or he wouldn't be asking what's a safe load. SO, I'm going to stick with being under a 20,000 piece of equipment.
He's in New Hampshire, so I'm going to assume some hills involved. I don't think I'd want more than 15-20,000 lbs piece of equipment behind a single axle dump and tandem trailer, on a regular basis. In flat country with a experienced driver, well that's a different story.
I guess I'd want to know more of the original poster's experience, before I would recommend a load. I'm going to guess not a lot of experience, or he wouldn't be asking what's a safe load. SO, I'm going to stick with being under a 20,000 piece of equipment.
I think the only thing you'll kill is yourself, from old age waiting for the top of the hill, the DT466 will make the grade but if you're not in a hurry, you'll get there. I've seen 15t excavators on a tag and they were going down the road at a leisurely pace. I've plowed a lot of snow with one, and well a good push gets it down into 2nd direct, sometimes 3rd low, it does run out of steam in a hurry.
Had a tandem back in the 80's with a 466. Geared to run 62 tops it was really slow at 52,000 getting up to speed and pulled down really bad on hills.
How close to the rear axle the hitch is makes a lot of difference how the load balances as well as the well base of the truck. A 5 or 6 speed doesn't have the real low gear to take off with a big load.
How close to the rear axle the hitch is makes a lot of difference how the load balances as well as the well base of the truck. A 5 or 6 speed doesn't have the real low gear to take off with a big load.
Truck Shop
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One thing to remember using under powered equipment-mainly trucks. Under powered causes traffic issues, doesn't have the ability to get up
speed to blend with traffic from a on ramp. Causes traffic to constantly divert into left lane, also has no engine retarder for extra braking.
On a hilly two lane causes traffic backup which causes following traffic to get antsy and take chances passing.
speed to blend with traffic from a on ramp. Causes traffic to constantly divert into left lane, also has no engine retarder for extra braking.
On a hilly two lane causes traffic backup which causes following traffic to get antsy and take chances passing.
skyking1
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I plan my entrances onto the freeway because of that. If I am empty or just a solo load of rock I'll dive on down this short onramp, but with the trailer I go a couple of miles on county roads to get my own lane for getting up to speed.
Not having a jake would really suck.
Not having a jake would really suck.