sandnsnow
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Looks like the Cat is hard to see out of. Ill stick with my TL150. Good looking machine. I agree with CM1995, These machines are so fast at moving material it is had to go back to a small dozer.
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NEW CAT Compact Track Loader
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Probably the most underpowered, under engineered CTL being produced by any OEM (257B would be next up from the bottom). I have never owned one and of course never would, but have had to rent them on occasion prior to CASE releasing a CTL. All the machines were new or near new. I have never understood how anyone could demo one and still buy it. Underpowered, poor breakout, loud, the feedback in the AHC versions is unbearable, the hyd. go over relief at the mere thought of engaging a pile of material. The larger BC tracked machines I have been more pleased with (not totally but more so), but this model should just be scraped.
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Well I was one of those...... It was the winter of '02-03 and I had a town home project going on with tight access and steep grades to negotiate. I had an 863 with no cab at the time. The T190 was heat/AC, non-AHC and what it could do at the time was keep my project rolling along. At that time we were selling 2-3 a month and the units had to be finished. The T190 did what I needed it to do and it was more of an aggravating experience than a costly one.
It was my first experience with a dedicated track machine, the years prior we were fighting with the OTT metal tracks.:Banghead I probably let brand loyalty play too much into the equation.:beatsme The local Bobcat dealership has been around for ages and I have known the guys there for years. Our local Case and Tak dealerships have changed hands so many times over the last 10 years that first you need to see who is selling them at the moment to set up a demo.
Live and learn.
F-1.08-F.G.
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We have a 287 at work and I enjoy running it OCCASIONALLY. I've never seen a 'comfortable' skid steer, so I don't see a reason to whine about that because it's really all in HOW you operate it, not WHAT your your operating. Powerful enough for it's size, but in order to move any bank yardage you have get a little running start. Speed and responsiveness is mixed nicely. Auxillary hydraulic (we have a 4 in 1 bucket on ours) is ergonomically placed especially if you use it often. The only big thing I see wrong with it from an operator standpoint... I will agree with anyone who says visibility is VERY poor. If the main arms are anything but lowered all the way, you can't see anything out the sides and your rear view 'no-zone' continues for about 20' behind the machine:my2c
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9420pullpan
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Not too bad, with the current market and all. I see you and Hoeman are up to more "after hours" shenanigans with the Coal Tour.
were always up to no good... But it sure is fun.
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EquipmentEditor
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Video
We had an opportunity to visit North Carolina and operate the new CTL. My inexperienced body thought the CTL and MTL felt about the same, but I loved the fact that the CTL sounds more like a crawler loader than a compact track loader...steel on steel.
We took some close-ups and a short video:
www.constructionequipment.com/newProductsDetail/CA6603987.html
We had an opportunity to visit North Carolina and operate the new CTL. My inexperienced body thought the CTL and MTL felt about the same, but I loved the fact that the CTL sounds more like a crawler loader than a compact track loader...steel on steel.
We took some close-ups and a short video:
www.constructionequipment.com/newProductsDetail/CA6603987.html
Tigerotor77W
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Good to see you again, L -- didn't see the video you took? Could be my own issue.
You are way off with your 50% stat, I beleive it is closer to 25% combined and getting lower every year with that plastic/rubber set up
The information I have was pretty solid and is based off of total machines manufactured since the introduction of the CAT MTL starting with the 277.
If you look hard enough there are two forums/websites that feature equipment discussions that you haven't visited yet in order to bash CAT. You must have a heck of an axe to grind. I'm not trying to hack on you but every post but one that I've read of yours hasn't been constructive but merely significantly negative.
I have been told that CTL industry data will be reported next year just like skids. So there won't be anymore guessing games about marketshares.
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Tigerotor77W
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Oh! I mistook you for CEWriter. Sorry about that. Hope all the magazine is going well.
And the video worked this time; for whatever reason, last night the player didn't load.
WOW!!!! I feel like I am being stalked!
I am not bashing Caterpiller just bring up points that don't get spoken about. Some people get blinded by the brand.
I am being constructive but sometimes it will be negitive. The truth must be spoken!!! All brands have problems and this is a forum to speak about the good and the bad. To try to teach and learn something while we are here.
I guarantee that you're safe. Fair enough statement that all machines have their positives and their negatives.
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had a good look at a 277b in action today, i was not overly impressed with the basic traction of the thing on pretty easy grass slopes.
the track system looks plain overcomplicated. spoke to the operator, new tracks at about 800 hours and apparently the dealer replaced his undercarriage under warranty (which he claims would've cost 30k retail)
guess i'll find out in the next few weeks when my new t190 gets added to the stocklist.
the track system looks plain overcomplicated. spoke to the operator, new tracks at about 800 hours and apparently the dealer replaced his undercarriage under warranty (which he claims would've cost 30k retail)
guess i'll find out in the next few weeks when my new t190 gets added to the stocklist.
brynbaily
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I'm wondering how these new C series machines are going to do; being this is the first production year. Has anyone herd of any issues yet? I think I remember seeing a post somewhere on here of a guy that had drive motor problems.
New Cat CTL
I rented one for a week. I personally was not impressed. The bucket was slow especially when dumping. The visibility is horrible to the rear of the machine. The drive train seemed to be strong although I don't like how the hyd. lines are routed to the drive train. I seems to me that the hoses would get a lot of wear in their current location. I didn't like the visibility to the outside edges of the bucket either. The cab was narrow. It definately was not made for a fat guy.
On the positive side the machine is very smooth. The suspension is very good for a CTL. The heat and air in the cab worked very good and the cab was comfortable besides being small and I'm only 5'8" and about 220lbs.
After having one for a week of moving heavy clay, spreading and power raking topsoil I don't think that I would purchase one.
I rented one for a week. I personally was not impressed. The bucket was slow especially when dumping. The visibility is horrible to the rear of the machine. The drive train seemed to be strong although I don't like how the hyd. lines are routed to the drive train. I seems to me that the hoses would get a lot of wear in their current location. I didn't like the visibility to the outside edges of the bucket either. The cab was narrow. It definately was not made for a fat guy.
On the positive side the machine is very smooth. The suspension is very good for a CTL. The heat and air in the cab worked very good and the cab was comfortable besides being small and I'm only 5'8" and about 220lbs.
After having one for a week of moving heavy clay, spreading and power raking topsoil I don't think that I would purchase one.
chewy007
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Does anyone think the Cat 299c has a chance against a Tak tl250?? All the Cat salesman can say is how comfortable his machine is....
brynbaily
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I've herd some guys saying the smaller Tak's can out work those things. I'd really like to hear more feedback from someone who has been in them both. I demoed a new C series and noticed the hyd. were a bit on the slow side and my dad did point out the lines that were exposed as well. I thought the cab was fine but I'm only a buck sixty-eight so space was no issue.
I really like those Tak loaders but the closest dealer is over an hour and a half away compared to the five min drive to our Cat dealer. :beatsme
I really like those Tak loaders but the closest dealer is over an hour and a half away compared to the five min drive to our Cat dealer. :beatsme
chewy007
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I will let you know after Thursday, Cat is supposed to drop off a 299c have had a Tak tl250 for several days and was amazed at the power and the productivity of the machine, I am 6' 1" 220lbs and I felt small in the cab.. Have had a few hours on a Cat 289c that could not even come close to this machine but did have a better ride, although am not sure if I like the suspension in the undercarriage for lifting and grading..
Bobcat s330
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Taks make a strong machine and the cabs are big on them.. I found it to be loud inside the cab thou when i demoed one