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Erosion Control

digger242j

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BRL posted a link to the erosion control trade show, and that reminded me of a question that's always bugged me...

How come when a contractor disturbs a couple thousand square feet of ground on a 1/2 acre lot, one time, to build a house he has to place silt fence all around the disturbed area (and I've even seen it required on the *uphill* side of the disturbed ground), but when Farmer Brown plows a few hundred acres *every* spring, there's never any silt fence in sight? :confused:
 

RonG

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Originally posted by digger242j
BRL posted a link to the erosion control trade show, and that reminded me of a question that's always bugged me...

How come when a contractor disturbs a couple thousand square feet of ground on a 1/2 acre lot, one time, to build a house he has to place silt fence all around the disturbed area (and I've even seen it required on the *uphill* side of the disturbed ground), but when Farmer Brown plows a few hundred acres *every* spring, there's never any silt fence in sight? :confused:

Not only on the uphill side of the site but also through the woods where the timber needs to be cut and stumped and stripped and ???? LOL
What is worse is that the people who make those decisions never see the property as they delegate others to be their eyes and ears so you don't even get to argue with them about what is reasonable.That is a great observation and I admit I never looked at it that way but it is absolutely the truth!!
A great post as usual from you Digger!!! Thanks Ron
 

Steve Frazier

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Can you say "Political Correctness"?

Some of the farmers in this state are getting hassled a bit though. I recall seeing on the news a few years ago where the NYC DEP was trying to prohibit an upstate farmer from fertilizing his crops due to his proximity to a NYC reservoir.
 

Paul

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Water quality in the storm run off is the problem. Most if not all farmers have field that are not tied into storm water control faculities. The farmer has exemptions because his land in producing crops,which means that the ground is beening replanted or covered with vegatation, while your job site is open for 3 to 12 months with out a cover crop. If you figure just one large contruction site can produce a soil loss of up to 3 to 5 tons per acre without controls, the removal of this amount of soil is costing you (thru taxes and higher water bills). On a brighter note they haven't started asking you to control job site related dust, at least if your are on the east coast! The West coast has to deal with prevailing winds on their sites and have to take measures on dust control and water pollution.

We should all look at this as a money making venture and not as a problem on the job site. Erosion control means more money in our pocket. As the rules get tighter less land will be opened up at one time or they will bring the grades to finish and have them greened up

In the future control will get much tougher for both the contractor and the farmer.

Bigger problems with fertlizers are with home owners and the related companies that provide them. With lawn grasses being the largest producers of polution runoff, these products are going to be controled more and more. They will first limit the larger companies on how much they can apply at any one time and ask for detailed records be kept.
 

DKinWA

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I wasn't going to chime in on this, since I actually wear two hats and have a fairly strong opinion on this. My second one is that of a contractor that does excavation and clearing and my first one as a state biologist working on salmon recovery in our state. Erosion control (or I should say lack of it) costs the taxpayers of washington millions of dollars every year. The cost comes in a variety of forms and results in both direct and indirect costs.

Obviously the impacts to fish habitat (loss of habitat) are huge and it's difficult to quantify. One recent study indicated sport fishing in washington brings local business something on the order of $3 billion dollars a year. Much of this is too smaller rural hotels, grocery stores, fishing guides, etc. If we continue to choke streams with sediment, the state stands to loose a substantial revenue generator here in washington.

Another more direct cost of erosion is the increased cost of maintaining drainage structures. I can think of several instances where a contractor doing clearing work lost enough sediment to clog thousands of feet of drainage ditch. In many instances, ditch water was forced out onto county or city roads which then necessitated governement workers to go out and clean up the mess. I've even seen county roads eroded and torn up because of ditches becoming clogged from erosion from construction sites. There's also the situations where I've seen highway construction cost overruns because the soil that was to form a base for roads was eroded away. In one case a couple thousand yards of fill slid down the hill and new fill had to be trucked in at taxpayer expense.

When it comes to farmers, someone summed it up already in one word "politics". Farmers have strong lobbyists and they are quite effective at stopping any sort of regulation or requirements that would cost them anything. On the other hand, I have to give a lot of farmers credit. Many farmers are realizing the cost of erosion and have gone to "no till" methods in addition to cover cropping exposed soils to prevent erosion.

Obviously I have some very strong opinions about this, but this is one of those cases where a lot of P-poor contractors cost US (we the taxpayers) a lot of money. I guess I see erosion control as part of the job of being a responsible contractor and not allowing my activities to negatively impact others. It's also an opportunity as someone else said to increase profits by providing erosion control. Sorry for the long drawn out response, but this is one of the "soapbox" issues for me :) .
 
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