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580b Backhoe Bucket Sizes

Silvermopar

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I recently bought a 580 B that came with a 24 and 36 inch buckets. The last owner bent the main boom cylinders with the 36 inch bucket and cautioned using it. I’m curious what you guys have ran and did he really push the machine to cause damage or would it be safe to use with a little common sense?
 

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I recently bought a 580 B that came with a 24 and 36 inch buckets. The last owner bent the main boom cylinders with the 36 inch bucket and cautioned using it. I’m curious what you guys have ran and did he really push the machine to cause damage or would it be safe to use with a little common sense?
I don’t have a 580b but I have a 555e. It had an 18” bucket on it and I bought a 36”. In my opinion, for him to bend those cylinders, he had to have had a lot of weight in that bucket. You need to be careful when digging wet dirt. I’ve noticed with my machine, a full bucket of dry clay material is no where near the same as the wet muck at the bottom of my pond I’m trying to build. One scoop of that stuff and I feel like I’m going to tip the machine over.

With the 18” bucket, I could have a full scoop of either material and it’s fine.
 

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If you need to replace or buy buckets, what brand should you choose? Your OEM? Or a named aftermarket? Or something used?
 

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i am kinda wondering if the hydraulic reliefs were properly adjusted??
 

Willie B

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Seems very likely the port relief, but then again, The boom cylinder is pulling to lift.

Once boom is hoisted the valve to it is closed on both hoses to boom cylinder. Extending the crowd with a loaded bucket puts a lot of leverage on the boom cylinder causing high oil pressure in upper chamber of the cylinder. Most hoes have port reliefs built in to the control valve. This releases excess pressure.

As the boom cylinder is pulling to lift, I wouldn't think bending a cylinder would happen from a big bucket. I think bending the boom cylinder would be the result of banging the bucket to break frozen ground, or ledge.

Quick change buckets I doubt were a feature of 580B. If they are, use the small bucket to dig in hard or rocky ground, the big one to move loose soil like sand, or backfilling a ditch. 36" is a big a$$ bucket for 580B
 

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If you need to replace or buy buckets, what brand should you choose? Your OEM? Or a named aftermarket? Or something used?
I found a bucket on Craigslist with the same pin size and width as the bottom of my dipper stick and my father and I modified it a little bit to fit. I think the bucket originally was for a small excavator.

In my opinion, no need to buy brand new or OEM. I paid $150 for it and one of similar size brand new was $1500ish.
 

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I should’ve probably added that the only thing I would do with a 36 inch bucket is dig trenches for a septic field. So I’d only go about 3 feet deep with it. But digging 36 inches wide at one time should really help keep the trench straight and speed up the dig.
 

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I should’ve probably added that the only thing I would do with a 36 inch bucket is dig trenches for a septic field. So I’d only go about 3 feet deep with it. But digging 36 inches wide at one time should really help keep the trench straight and speed up the dig.

String both edges of each trench, and mark where the string was with inverted survey marking paint. Then use the smaller bucket.

Who designed your system? I don't install leach fields, but observe quite a number being installed. ALL are engineered systems. Flat ground (I think it's less than 1% grade) most often is the plastic culverts split, they are laid level round outside up. Rows are used & if needed, three rows, each level, but not necessarily level with each other. Effluent is piped. It might be gravity from septic tank, or pumped from a pump tank. The leach field is covered with dirt of any variety.

Organics from effluent form a muck on what was once grassy ground under these half culverts, there bacteria eats organic mater, evaporation eliminates the water component. You mow the grass 6" above the top of this assembly.

Another system uses a build up of any soil to make a level area. It is built up so no portion of the leach area is below the original grade. A layer of "septic sand" goes on. Then more soil of any sort. Trenches are dug in the hauled in soil, they are filled with 1-3/4" drainage stone. 2" effluent pipe is laid on the stone. It gets a series of holes drilled in the top.
The engineer comes, clean water is pumped into the effluent lines. He measures the height of each little fountain. He may want bigger holes. Once he approves, more crushed stone is added to cover the effluent pipe, then landscape fabric. Fabric is covered with topsoil & grass seed/hay.
My point is I haven't seen a new engineered leach system with any component of it below the original grade. Exception being fine sand with excellent drainage beneath. It must be shown that at no time of year is any soil to a depth of 3' below is saturated with ground water.
 

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I’m in Nebraska and I design the systems. Around here we bury a 34” wide 11” tall Plastic chamber below grade up to 3 foot deep as each situation requires. I always use a string line and paint but once you break the crust of the soil you normally lose your markings. I do fine with a 2 foot bucket but I was excited to try this 3 foot bucket, If the machine can handle it.
 

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We have a clunker 580B here. It has 2 boom cylinders. I'd say bending a boom cylinder has more to do with some imbalance of load between the two.
My greater concern is breakage of boom, or swing tower. Case used a lot of ductile iron & I'm not sure if the swing tower might be ductile. weld repairs are never successful.
 
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