NH 575E Backhoe will not start

New member seeking help, I have a New Holland 575E backhoe that has been sitting over the winter and will not start. I removed both battery's, checked battery's, cleaned all connections and reinstalled. It will turn over but is very slow like it has low battery, thinking my next step is the starter, any thoughts?

Replace the cables.

ok thanks

Thoughts on dual battery vs a single battery?

This thread is exactly what you need to read:
https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/i-guess-i-need-a-second-battery.68991/

Welcome to HEF, Byron !
After cleaning all the connections including the grounds and there is no improvement in the cranking speed take the starter to a re-builder and have it load tested.
IF there is a re-builder near you.

How did you "check the batteries"? A small diesel like this shouldn't need two batteries to start at mild temps. I like to swap out for a known good one, but you can certainly test them if you know what you're doing. Batteries are the first suspect.

What is the cranking voltage at the battery posts? at the starter terminal to starter case? Does the engine sound normal? was it indoors all winter, no chance of water in the engine? Antifreeze and oil levels correct? Any hydraulic levers stuck and not centered?

Being slow to start after the winter, if it's not the batteries, then I'd take the starter apart and check the brushes, sometimes can do that without removing the starter from the engine.

Swetz said:

This thread is exactly what you need to read:
https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/i-guess-i-need-a-second-battery.68991/

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I don't think that was the thread where I reached a conclusion.

This was my thread on the single or double question.
https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/need-a-new-battery-single-or-double.85062/

I solved my cranking problem with new cables and a single battery.

I would say if you live in a colder climate and already have the dual battery setup it might be worth keeping.

Before you spend time pulling the starter try to connect a jumper cable directly to it from the battery. If you need a new starter DB Electric has one that will fit.

NH575E,
I was referring to the cable part of your repair journey, but you are correct, there was a big discussion focused on 1 or 2.

Even better for Byron

Byron L. said:

New member seeking help, I have a New Holland 575E backhoe that has been sitting over the winter and will not start. I removed both battery's, checked battery's, cleaned all connections and reinstalled. It will turn over but is very slow like it has low battery, thinking my next step is the starter, any thoughts?

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I have the same exact issue with my 555e. On a 45+ degree day it starts up perfect. When it’s below that, it seems like the battery is dead, but I’ve had it load tested via manual and computer method and it checks out fine. For me to get it started, it either takes my lithium jump pack, or on a really cold day, an extra boost from my pickup truck.

I’m going to do as NH and Swetz suggested this summer and replace all of my cables. They look pretty shoddy and have corrosion, so my guess is you have the same issue I have.

It doesn't get that cold here but I have started it on two different 32* mornings since I replaced the cables. Fired right up both times.

Mine fired right off on a near zero degree day after sitting over a month (no maintainer either), but mine has 2 batteries. My cables appear to be fine for now, although I did replace one when I first got the machine because it didn't look good. My machine, until I got it, had a great life as it was stored indoors and out of the elements...it hasn't been so fortunate since I have owned it. I really want my shop but now I am hearing the prices are up 40%, and that isn't in my budget!! I will continue prepping the site (once the mud is gone) and will get new estimates when the time comes.

Forgot to mention that my machine has the New Holland cold start option, which I have not tried as of yet. I probably should try it just to make sure it functions, I guess. Honestly, I only started my tractor about 6 times this last winter...all to stack snow because I was out of room for my plow truck.

Swetz said:

Mine fired right off on a near zero degree day after sitting over a month (no maintainer either), but mine has 2 batteries. My cables appear to be fine for now, although I did replace one when I first got the machine because it didn't look good. My machine, until I got it, had a great life as it was stored indoors and out of the elements...it hasn't been so fortunate since I have owned it. I really want my shop but now I am hearing the prices are up 40%, and that isn't in my budget!! I will continue prepping the site (once the mud is gone) and will get new estimates when the time comes.

Forgot to mention that my machine has the New Holland cold start option, which I have not tried as of yet. I probably should try it just to make sure it functions, I guess. Honestly, I only started my tractor about 6 times this last winter...all to stack snow because I was out of room for my plow truck.

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Not to hijack the thread, but if I ever have to replace my 4D battery, I am thinking of going back to the 2 battery option. I'm not a fan of taking out this 100lb battery everytime i have an issue.

Personally I would not use the ether injection unless the machine is OLD and is the only way you can get it to start. Ether goes boom if not ignited properly!

And yes, prices - especially lumber - is through the roof right now. i just looked at the futures again and its $1106 for 1000 board feet. this time last year it was 300-400.

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Super glad I had this built on a whim last year. Carolina Carports = <12 grand!
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cosmaar1,
My setup is not either. It is called thermostart. See below for explanation:



I purchased two 31T batteries from Advance Auto Parts. I bet both of them cost less than that monster you have. I paid like $200 for the pair. It is a very common battery in the truck world, that is why it is reasonable, unlike the 4D. I have the 4D in a Ford 445A that I have. I agree with you, it sucks to take out!

Oh yea, rub it in NH575E...LOL

Swetz said:

cosmaar1,
My setup is not either. It is called thermostart. See below for explanation:

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I purchased two 31T batteries from Advance Auto Parts. I bet both of them cost less than that monster you have. I paid like $200 for the pair. It is a very common battery in the truck world, that is why it is reasonable, unlike the 4D. I have the 4D in a Ford 445A that I have. I agree with you, it sucks to take out!

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I’ve never seen a thermostat assist like that. Pretty neat.

When I thought my battery was bad, I priced out a new 4D and it was anywhere between 180-210 depending on brand. The thing that sucks is it go to two batteries I have to reconfigure my setup and buy extra cable. Blah.

one of those 31T's should start it fine down to 20 or so, and I'll plug it in at that point just to be nice. One battery will last a lot longer than half of what dual batteries will last. The 700 or 750 CCA version will last longer than the 900CCA version, thicker and fewer plates on the lower CCA are more durable.

On battery longevity...I have many batteries that are 6 to seven years old currently, and working fine. I suspect that the fact that I have the battery tender setup on every one of my vehicles with batteries (except the tractor...more on that in a min). When I say vehicles I mean my plow truck, 4 ATVs, 2 UTVs, and 3 tractors (actually only two 24/7). I actually have the 4-gang battery tender mounted in a shipping container garage, and another mounted in an enclosed trailer, plus some single units.

I expected to have a garage that would house all my equipment and be able to stay on the maintainer...that didn't happen last year, so the tractor was left outside. In addition, we got so much snow last winter that I was not able to get the backhoe up by the power outlet. That said, about 3 times during the winter I was able to get the maintainer on the tractor by stealing it off the plow truck for a day...little confusing, I kno, but I am explaining why the maintainer was not on the tractor 24/7. I will be sure to prepare better for this winter as I do not want to have the batteries go down from sitting.

Another example of the battery tender extending the battery life is my ride-on mower. I was buying batteries almost every year (because they were dead). I even changed suppliers because I was buying what I considered a premium battery (sure cost more $$) and still the same result, 1 to 2 years of service and dead. I then installed the maintainer, The last battery lasted 7 years.