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International TD-14

DMiller

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Were a number of Side Boom conversion companies back in the day, could just be a Modified 14.
 

Puffie40

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Either a TD18 or TD18A. The 1955 TD18-1 and TD18-2 had the air cleaner moved under the hood.

The grousers have had some flatbar welded to them. If the pads needed to be built up, then the pins and bushings are probably worn out. For a farm cat that is just going to do some limited work, it might be okay.
 

td14steve

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Old iron habit , Its possible they made 6 cyl versions. The 14 and 18 have the same pistons and rods I believe. The are the gas start switch over to diesel engines. Probably fine for a farm dozer looks taken care of for a machine pushing 70.
 

old-iron-habit

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I always wondered if there was enough room to actually swivel around sitting in the seat on a 931. Swivel seat would be nicer than climbing over or having to get off and then on again. My wooden seat base rotted out and was no longer available from Cat but I found an upholstery shop that made a new bottom seat complete with base with the insets for the bolts. Cost around $200 but my measurements were off for the bolts because the mounting plates flopped around on the machine. They took measurements from what was left of the old seat base and installed the inserts in both locations. Good thing they did and it bolted right on.


The swivel seat on my first series 931 does not have enough room to set on the seat and swivel. You stand up and lift the seat about 4 inches to swivel and it stays at the higher setting. I spin it and then spin me around the canopy and back into the seat is what I found works the best. Don't think it has any advantage over your flip seat if yours raises up as it flips. Mine could use more legroom in the hoe position but I have a 35" inseam and size14 shoes.
 

Welder Dave

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Here's the best I could find of the 931B backhoe seat. The bottom seat cushion is flat and stays the same height, just the seat back flips to either side. Because my machine came from the factory with the backhoe there are extra hand holds on the ROPS that I use to crawl over the hyd. and fuel tanks. Kind of a pain but way better than a JD that uses a separate flip down seat. There was a Cat competitive bulletin TECB2050 entitled "The improved D3B/931B fixed pivot and sideshift backhoes vs John Deere 450C and 9300 backhoe." I keep thinking about making some kind of quick attach levers to operate the brake pedals from the backhoe position.

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Pralhad Birdi

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I've got an old TD14A that's in pretty good shape undercarriage-wise, but the engine's lacking power and overheating. Its been stood for probably the last 15/20 years or so.
I've got a 4cyl Detroit Series 71 out of a compressor that has an issue with the compressor side, so I've taken it out of that and I'm intending on swapping it in to the dozer.
I've done the bell housing modification using the bell housing plate off of the original engine.
I'll probably be shunting in the engine tomorrow. Does this seem like a good idea, or am I just doing a lot of work for nothing?
 

FWD

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It should work. Allis Chalmers used a 4-71 in one of their crawlers before they went to 4 cycle engines in the mid 1950's. I think it was an HD-9.
SDWF
 

DMiller

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Detroit's do not have a great deal of torque, your TD 14 should be a torque converter trans set up but stall out will come on swiftly with a two stroke.
 

Pralhad Birdi

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Well basically what I've done is coupled the original flywheel off the IH onto the Detroit, and maintained the dry clutch system.
Of course the flywheel weighs as much as a small car so I was quite worried about the crankshaft, but I've done a bearing housed in the bell housing plate to support the new flywheel and the coupler between the two flywheels is the flange and end shaft bit cut off an old IH crankshaft I had lying around.
I'll try and post some pics of what I've done so it makes more sense.
 

Willie B

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For me, it was love at first sight with a TD9, I'd say similar vintage. I tried to bargain for a better price, the elderly seller gave it away instead. It has a Drott hydraulic blade.
You seem not afraid of work, you'll handle it. There are sources for parts. You might have as much invested as a new dozer would cost, but think of the memories!
By the way, are you still married?
 

Pralhad Birdi

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So finally managed to get the engine in. It was quite involving, had to do a new front cross member to mount the engine, new pto drive from front pulley, extend the chassis to accept the radiator and new exhaust and air cleaner.
Started it up, and it didn't shake itself to bits, which is what I was most concerned about. Ran it for about an hour, but it didn't have much power, and very thick black smoke. Cleaned out the little sieves in the fuel pipes leading up to the nozzles, and there was some improvement, but not much. Then I opened up the blower cover, and found the issue: a rat's nest packed solid against the blower screen, basically blocking off all air into the engine. Cleared that out, and now it runs like a dream.
Thinking of fabbing up and mounting a ripper on the back next hopefully.
 

Welder Dave

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Mice had built a nest inside the expansion chamber on my dirt bike. It was packed so tight it wouldn't let the exhaust escape and wouldn't rev up. Luckily you could see a little exhaust coming out where the pipe fit to the engine. They had to have somehow jumped off the seat and down through the silencer to get inside the pipe. We managed to blow some of it out and put the pipe back on. Started the bike and when I revved it up shot a good portion of the nest out the exhaust. Very Bizarre.
 

Willie B

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When we were first married forty years ago we did not have a garage. Mrs B had a new Chevy Cavalier wagon. At one point she went off with her mother for a week. On return her car wouldn't run. Backfire, no power, I was at a loss! Checked everything I could think of. Called the dealer & made an appointment.
Then I noticed a charred acorn on the driveway.
The muffler proved to be packed full of acorns by chipmunks.
 
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