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lantraxco

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View attachment 231045 These thing great the main problem we ran into was not being able. To clean the mud completely out of the double bottom rollers and having the track freeze up

yeah, sometimes if you can find a decent run of dry ground and make a few full speed passes it will fling enough out so they don't freeze up. They're not easy to clean except maybe the Prinoth/Powertraxx style undercarriage.
 

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You have to sit back and be patient, but I have thawed frozen down equipment with a weedburner. You can play ~80F air off the end of the flame with no chance of burning anything.
 

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A bit of elbow grease and one these at the end of the day beats weed burner and broken things the next morning.
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Not enough room even had little garden shovel and sticks and couldn’t clean it out
 

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If you end up with a CTL, just of course watch your bucket. My Cat dealer sold me a 78" with my 289D that holds about half. My 299D3 came with a 83", but it is much taller back and sides and runs a touch over 3/4 yard as I recall. Huge difference.
 

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So....here is where I am guys, and it comes with a question. I can either bring in a guy with a track loader, or I can rent a CTL. Obviously there are plenty of pros/cons here. The loader will come with an operator but higher cost, and I don't have to buy fuel. CTL probably won't drink that much fuel as most of it is just carting material. It will be slower but I can use it to smooth and finish as well.

Only concern I really have is the rental insurance? I cannot say I have ever given too much thought because I usually have a place to put a rental. I can lock it up tight into my excavator and I can disable a machine to the point no one could ever start or move it, but....I still worry.

How much is rental insurance? I assume renters have this? I certainly don't have that in my umbrella.

As far as my "security" thread, all I can say is I have a plan and no one will get to the equipment without letting everyone within a 3mi radius know something is up.
 

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Or see if your Cat Rental store has one of these -

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This dumper had the rotating/side dumping bed. IIRC it was $1800 a week to rent.
I'll second this. Having only spent 2 days operating one of these I was totally impressed with the way they performed. There cycle times are so much faster than a road trnck working on site even if they carry less. IMHO they would be the next best thing to a tracked truck in soft going, don't pump the ground like a loader of any kind.
 

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Your insurance company will write a short term
policy to yours and the rental companys satisfaction
 

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In regards to insurance i wouldnt take a rental like that out without insurance.At one time i carried a rental policy that covered me on rentals up to 250,000 for compressors ,pile hammers ect. Now my broker will put coverage together on fairly short notice for rentals if needed,justs costs a bit more. All part of your overhead as a contractor.
 

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Most rental companies have lose and damage insurance that you add to the rental when you rent the machine. It usually is much cheaper than getting insurance on your own.
Jeff
 

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In regards to insurance i wouldnt take a rental like that out without insurance.At one time i carried a rental policy that covered me on rentals up to 250,000 for compressors ,pile hammers ect. Now my broker will put coverage together on fairly short notice for rentals if needed,justs costs a bit more. All part of your overhead as a contractor.
I just got a quote for a rental boom truck to take down a 100' antenna tower at work. It included a sample certificate of insurance, we would have to duplicate it in wording and coverage. I think the insurance requirements will make it prohibitive for me to do, and I'll call for a crane service.
It's a bummer because they would rent me the same model I ran in Seattle for a couple of years. I'd have to swing the jib to get it done.
 

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Renting a crane is a world of difference from an excavator or dumper. I would be surprised if there was a rental co. anywhere that would put one out. Even being in the crane business ill buy one if the need warrants it,but i dont think id bare rent a picker id rather have the owners operator.
 

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Maxim Crane in Seattle. I got a dispatch from the union to operate one right after I got released to work after shoulder surgery this summer.
The operator at the grain loading terminal pranged the platform and chute system that delivers the grain into the ship's hold. I had to set up basically wall-to-wall on the dock underneath it.
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Everybody had numbers for all that junk, but it added up to much more. The only option I had was to deck land it, back up 30 feet, and offload it onto a hapless 1 ton flatbed that I backed in next the outrigger.
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It started out with a telescoping chute that I had to take down and trip. It was like tripping a trombone.
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They quoted me a day rate of $865, weekly $2600, monthly $7800.
The typical 3 and 3 math :)
 

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If you go the CTL route make sure you get one with ride control on the arms. For hauling there are oversize buckets such as snow buckets.
 

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What do you consider a "real amount of material"? You can really get wound messing with the time vs wear vs cost thing.

500-1000' is a long distance to carry material. How many CY's have you estimated that you need to repair the dam?

Toting bedding material for pipe laying 500' is one thing but moving 500 CY's 500 FT with a trackloader or CTL is whole nuther story.

I would bet the biggest CTL would be quicker then a track loader with even a 3-4 yard bucket. You could haul 1.25 yards with a ctl easy, and probably be 3x as fast as track loader per trip. CTL also much better on soft ground, easier to haul, and cheaper and easier to find for rent.

But if it's a large amount of material, like say 1000 yards it's not going to be cost effective to move it that way. The only way it will be is some kind of dump vehicle hauling at least 5-6 yards.

I'll put my 953C against the largest CTL currently on the market on dig and toting material - regardless of the distance and beat it every time.;)
 

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I thought I mentioned but the total filled area which I estimated to be a 30ft long plug would be about 250yds. However, I have explained to the customer that it is not needed to make the entire repair from clay, just the good bit where water must be sealed up. However, I have mentioned the importance of doing the repair in lifts with compaction. If it leaks and does not seal up good quickly, it could leak.

The travel distance is about 800ft and I think I have decided to either rent or hire a large CTL, though I have not figured out how the heck you "find" the magic person that has what you need.

I have quoted up another guy with a track loader and I think there are too many variables on this one that could make this expensive only for me. I know the CTL will have no issues with the terrain, and if they do, I can save them with the hoe. If the hoe has issues, we should not be there, so getting the right weather is just important.
 

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You don't mention if the 250 cy is after factoring in a compaction rate, but if it is 250 cy with compaction, that would be about 450 trips in a big CTL at about .70 cy per trip. I don't know how fast you can travel that 800 lf, (would want to make sure that CTL has ride control for sure.) Say it takes 10 min. per trip that would take just about 75 hours to move that material. You might be able to move it faster than 10 min (the math was easy at 10) but it probably is fairly close. Around here, a CTL hired out is $100 an hour. Are you sure a CTL is the only way to move that material? A 3 cy loader with the same cycle time would be 14 hours.
 
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