Mother Deuce
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Strategies to deal with vandals and thieves on a jobsite?
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Truck Shop
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There was a guy here in town that worked as a bounty hunter and had a security business as a side line. Big as a mountain. I can't repeat what he would tell people he would catch
sneaking around job sites and businesses late at night. Any business that hired him troubles disappeared. He carried no weapons he told me although he had some.
sneaking around job sites and businesses late at night. Any business that hired him troubles disappeared. He carried no weapons he told me although he had some.
seatwarmer
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Shotgun shells loaded with coarse salt and wheat grains.
Unfortunately, if a thief wants your stuff there isn't much deterrent that will be effective outside of a few gunshots in their direction. The craving for drugs and money overwhelms their senses and they just become dumber and more blatant..... which makes them even braver.
If I were you, I would rent a RV for the time being and live on site. I would park all the equipment nightly surrounding the RV and make sure I had line of sight to each piece of equipment. Buy a few paper targets, blast them a few times, then hang said targets on each operators door with a sign that says "YOUR NEXT!" Here is a few things you can do to make this point work for you even better.........
1. Make sure you do the target practice in the evening before dark. That way the neighborhood can hear the gunshots and KNOW you are armed.
2. Make sure you actually hit the bullseye on the targets before you hang them on the equipment. You don't want a potential thief to think your a horrible shot.
3. Make sure you have a bright flood lamp (handheld) and walk around outside before bed. Shine it all over the place including the neighborhood.
4. Explain to wife this is necessary. Its not getting away from her..........its saving money so she can buy more crap you don't need.
5. Also.....explain to wife there is such a thing as conjugal visitation..............Make sure she understands that she will need to disguise herself as to not draw attention to the area. This will require her to wear outfits (like a nurse, a librarian, a teacher, a coed, and..........uh.......hooker, etc.........) and not wear the same one twice.
If I were you, I would rent a RV for the time being and live on site. I would park all the equipment nightly surrounding the RV and make sure I had line of sight to each piece of equipment. Buy a few paper targets, blast them a few times, then hang said targets on each operators door with a sign that says "YOUR NEXT!" Here is a few things you can do to make this point work for you even better.........
1. Make sure you do the target practice in the evening before dark. That way the neighborhood can hear the gunshots and KNOW you are armed.
2. Make sure you actually hit the bullseye on the targets before you hang them on the equipment. You don't want a potential thief to think your a horrible shot.
3. Make sure you have a bright flood lamp (handheld) and walk around outside before bed. Shine it all over the place including the neighborhood.
4. Explain to wife this is necessary. Its not getting away from her..........its saving money so she can buy more crap you don't need.
5. Also.....explain to wife there is such a thing as conjugal visitation..............Make sure she understands that she will need to disguise herself as to not draw attention to the area. This will require her to wear outfits (like a nurse, a librarian, a teacher, a coed, and..........uh.......hooker, etc.........) and not wear the same one twice.
Truck Shop
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Once a person drops the hammer on another, that persons life is changed forever and not usually
for the good.
This incident happened here in town in 2012 at a western outfitters store called the New York.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/no-charges-against-walla-walla-shopkeeper-dont-try-this-at-home/
for the good.
This incident happened here in town in 2012 at a western outfitters store called the New York.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/no-charges-against-walla-walla-shopkeeper-dont-try-this-at-home/
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Shooting someone in the back 5 times from 120 ft + isn’t self defense. There have been several similar instances here in the last few years. There is a fine line between self defense and manslaughter/murder ......you can protect yourself and property while the assailant is aggressive but once they turn to flee you can’t continue to fire upon them. We have open and concealed carry in Oklahoma and a high percentage of citizens here carry something. The bad thing is that even stupid people can carry weapons here....that really shouldn’t be. People that carry should know the laws of their state when it comes to self defense.
Truck Shop
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That is correct V63--------But the actual distance was much closer, half that distance. Although that
doesn't really mater.
doesn't really mater.
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Game cams can help you figure out who stole your stuff. Then I know who to ask for my stuff back.
Around Wasilla, its mostly locals stealing the fuel for heating oil. In the bush, it’s part of doing business. Many young villagers believe that your stuff is their stuff and it’s only fair to share. Batteries, fuel, tires and I’ve had them steal the engine oil out of the crankcase for their snow machines. In that instance, at least they left a note in the cab. I was going to plow the runway, so my ride could land. No oil in the grader. ! Good times.
Around Wasilla, its mostly locals stealing the fuel for heating oil. In the bush, it’s part of doing business. Many young villagers believe that your stuff is their stuff and it’s only fair to share. Batteries, fuel, tires and I’ve had them steal the engine oil out of the crankcase for their snow machines. In that instance, at least they left a note in the cab. I was going to plow the runway, so my ride could land. No oil in the grader. ! Good times.
Truck Shop
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These are nice and quiet, and very effective.
cuttin edge
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Locks only keep honest people out
cuttin edge
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They would probably steal it
Truck Shop
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Lots of options try one of these-they can eat two pit bulls for breakfast---Fila Brasileiro
cuttin edge
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WE lose batteries a lot. Most of the time you can go buy them back from the bottle exchange for 10 bucks the next day. We have been lucky, in the 20 some years I have been here, they have only cut the cables twice. Most of the time they unbolt them. Some years ago, they hit the crusher spread. Our electrician figured one of them must have been an electrician. They took the time to cut the end off the big control cable going into the tower with the wire labels and leave it on the floor by the genset. they steal a lot of kids bikes to, which is sad as a lot of parents can't afford to buy a replacement. They really need to hit the drug dealers harder. I don't really blame the drug heads themselves, as much as the dealers for supplying them in the first place.
But then they would be able to testify against me.....
Had batteries stolen once, the one compartment I forgot to lock that was a chain reaction to a lot of other repairs. They unbolted everything, and even put the toolbox that is on top of the batteries back in. Then this spring had all side compartment doors pried open, nothing taken or screwed around with just damaged the locks. Thankfully the battery compartment locks are a lot better. It was at a demo and the dumba$$es also opened up both containers that were right full, causing a huge mess and headache to get them closed again.
I really try avoiding leaving equipment at a job longer then I must, and in any bad area now I won't leave it. If I don't feel comfortable leaving my 200 at a job, moving in and out everyday will be built into the price. I priced out a demo a little awhile ago, it's about 200' away from a homeless shelter. They were EVERYWHERE went I was there to look at the job, not a chance in hell i'd leave anything there.
If you're going to do something, just remember dead man tell no tales.
I really try avoiding leaving equipment at a job longer then I must, and in any bad area now I won't leave it. If I don't feel comfortable leaving my 200 at a job, moving in and out everyday will be built into the price. I priced out a demo a little awhile ago, it's about 200' away from a homeless shelter. They were EVERYWHERE went I was there to look at the job, not a chance in hell i'd leave anything there.
If you're going to do something, just remember dead man tell no tales.
If you hope to get any action taken you have to have cameras. High quality cameras put in places that license plates and pics of the thieves can be taken. Here, the police, if they don't have plates will post the incident on local internet news apps. Pics go out everywhere, and typically the thieves are caught quickly if there is enough on pics to catch faces and vehicles. We have theft still but these guys get caught where video/pics are available. That works here, certainly not everyone has it this good (if you can call it that) small enough area that the police can actually do something about thefts like this and are willing to. However without any pics you have next to no chance of stopping the thefts or getting your stuff back.
As far as knocking someone down. It sounds good and feels good to write it on the internet, but not so good going through the process after the fact. Even in areas that are more conservative, the process can be very expensive and your future freedom is at risk. Some areas of the US, the suspect has more rights than you do it seems. It can be a huge roll of the dice, with you breaking rock at the State Penn as a result when you roll snake eyes. The facts are unless you or someone else is being attacked or threatened in a way that justifies deadly force, it is not worth it. Having your rights read to you for homicide (no matter how right you may think you are) is a sobering moment, batteries, fuel, tires even a $300k machine wont seem worth it.....and it may not be.
As far as knocking someone down. It sounds good and feels good to write it on the internet, but not so good going through the process after the fact. Even in areas that are more conservative, the process can be very expensive and your future freedom is at risk. Some areas of the US, the suspect has more rights than you do it seems. It can be a huge roll of the dice, with you breaking rock at the State Penn as a result when you roll snake eyes. The facts are unless you or someone else is being attacked or threatened in a way that justifies deadly force, it is not worth it. Having your rights read to you for homicide (no matter how right you may think you are) is a sobering moment, batteries, fuel, tires even a $300k machine wont seem worth it.....and it may not be.
Spud_Monkey
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00 Buck shot, dogs, cameras, batteries hmm I smell something cooking oh wait that might be the perp who decided after hearing trip alarms set with 00 buckshot https://fithops.com/products/12-gau...erm=4576373562504720&utm_content=All Products decided to forgo the adventure to steal while grabbing a piece of equipment and shocking himself with electric fence hooked up to piece of equipment that completed the circuit of grounding a ground wire to electric magnet that had held guard dogs in a fenced in pen which is now open. All the while be recorded on cameras to be later posted to YouTube for our entertainment. Life is grand!
Regarding the story above with the gang banger, I think most probably ignore the fact that if he didn't drop that dude, he likely would have returned, and probably the same night with more people and guns, and it would have ended differently.
I carry concealed daily, and have actually used that firearm once already. While I have no issue handling that sort of business, I am smart enough to know that prevention is key here and I would rather avoid the confrontation or fixing stuff. I guess I have my own tactics that are pretty effective, but I wanted to see if you guys had any ideas that seem to work.
I do agree, if the area is too shady, just don't leave it! I could never live in a place where I had that crap hanging over me all the time.
After some thinking, I would like to examine some battery operated motion lights and an alarm system on machines. It probably seems overkill to some, and not enough to others. I refuse to work (we don't really have) in gang or homeless infested areas. I feel at least in my area, flashing lights and sirens going off should detour most people around here. I am hoping the motion lights are enough but I usually build in "stages of reaction" and the hope is people realize "you were expected" and leave.
I carry concealed daily, and have actually used that firearm once already. While I have no issue handling that sort of business, I am smart enough to know that prevention is key here and I would rather avoid the confrontation or fixing stuff. I guess I have my own tactics that are pretty effective, but I wanted to see if you guys had any ideas that seem to work.
I do agree, if the area is too shady, just don't leave it! I could never live in a place where I had that crap hanging over me all the time.
After some thinking, I would like to examine some battery operated motion lights and an alarm system on machines. It probably seems overkill to some, and not enough to others. I refuse to work (we don't really have) in gang or homeless infested areas. I feel at least in my area, flashing lights and sirens going off should detour most people around here. I am hoping the motion lights are enough but I usually build in "stages of reaction" and the hope is people realize "you were expected" and leave.
I like how you think! I like the primer tripwire, which I have used in the past with great success. I would love to energize a machine but I need to think carefully about the electronics and current path. That is several KV so need to ensure I don't roast my ECMs. I am not going to get too wound about the legal issues there.
In my personal experience, the DA 'might' try to throw charges but any misdemeanor or felony has a right to a jury. Good luck finding a packed jury full of Karens. Won't happen.