Any Hemi owners here???

Kxnate · Dec 8, 2020

suladas said:
They are few and far between. Some will have the problem sure. You also need to remember what % of owners are online posting about issues, and how many of the people with problems helped caused them. But some gas engines will only make 100k-120k before replacement. Unless you are incredibly unlucky or don't look after it the diesel will last at least 250k before needing much if anything and that's still very low compared to how long most of them go. Even with a $10k repair, that diesel will be a lower operating cost when you factor in purchase, interest, maintenance, fuel, and resale compared to a hemi if you are towing/hauling regularly. Heck empty the diesel will get way better mileage.

Remember suladas, I have owned a diesel for 12 years now, my dad has owned one for 11. I am not diesel ignorant or inexperienced. I have an 05 5.9 6 SPD manual. Best hand calculated mileage empty ever in the 12 years I've owned it is 16.75mpg. My dad has a 2010 6.7 cummins 6spd auto, est he's seen out of his empty is around 17. I don't know if we get **** fuel in Montana or what, but we never see anywhere close to the mileages people claim to get out of these cummins. So no, they won't get way better mileage empty.

As far as longevity, a gas is no different than a diesel in that alot depends on how it is taken care of and driven. My dad ran a 2002 Chevy with a 6.0 for his job to over 300000 miles on the original engine. My grandfather had a pilot car service in the 90's and ran Dodge Dakotas with 318's to over 400000 miles on original engines before getting.new ones.

As far as the rarity of the CP4 pump failures.....umm ford and gm have been having problems with them for years and now cummins gets the bright idea to start using them. The dealer I ordered my truck from (in a small town of about 20k people) has already had 2 CP4 failures through their shop.

You are obviously a diesel fan and that's fine, but they aren't the be all end all for everyone. And I am not uneducated in the way of the diesel.

Kxnate · Dec 8, 2020

And by the way suladas. My 5.9 need a $3400.00 injector replacement at 137k miles, and I meticulously maintain my vehicle's. Stanadyne in every tank of fuel, and fuel filter every 10k miles. So your idea of 250k without needing much is a farse in my experience.

I won't even go into the costs of replacing all the emissions bull**** on these modern diesels when it plugs up outta warranty.

The EPA has killed the efficiency and the formerly typically trouble free longevity of the diesel in my opinion.

suladas · Dec 9, 2020

That's not very good mileage, my 13 3500 would get 18 mixed city/highway, 20 mpg easy on a full highway trip. The 10-12 is not great years for mileage, adding urea helped mileage a lot in 13. Or the emissions falling off. My family all runs Dodge diesels, we currently have 8 of them between us, as old as 94 as new as 2016 so I will say my experience with their durability is not based on one or even a few good trucks, I have owned about 10 myself and only 1 had engine issues but it was due to injector wiring that dealer refused to fix and eventually destroyed entire engine.

One of them is my dads 04.5, has nearly 300k miles on it, purchased at 120k miles, hasn't touched the engine and the truck is abused and maintenance is non existent. The only engine issue with any of the trucks has been on 2 of the 13+ turbo actuators failing around 100k miles, and half of the trucks have over 200k miles on them. The 94 is the only one that has ever had the engine open, but when you're over a million miles, it's expected.

Just one suggestion, get rid of Stanadyne. Run good clean diesel and that's it. Unless the fuel is gelled, don't touch it. I do recall 05's having some injector line and injector issues, but it's a pretty isolated issue. Between all the diesels my family has owned never had any fuel pump failures, and we're talking more then 50 trucks over the years.

I'm not trying to say you made a bad decision, just trying to provide information on the diesels that is realistic. So many people think they cost thousands and thousands to maintain and always have repairs and it's not the case. Many of the one's having engine issue at low mileage is due to people screwing with them.

Tyler d4c · Dec 9, 2020

suladas said:
It's hard to blame the truck when people are abusing the hell out of them. That is the reason many companies went to gas pickups because they are cheaper, and will take being abused better in many ways then a diesel. For someone who looks after the truck and tows/hauls a decent amount, the diesel is far better. JMO but if someone told me they were "normally held on the floor with a lead foot" when driving my truck, they'd be looking for a new job. That equipment provides for your paycheck, you should be looking after it. Too many people forget that.

I maybe exaggerating a bit on the hold it to the floor bit I run it no different then my own and take just as good of care of it as my own but the group as a whole beats the shot out of them.

Kxnate · Dec 9, 2020

suladas said:
That's not very good mileage, my 13 3500 would get 18 mixed city/highway, 20 mpg easy on a full highway trip. The 10-12 is not great years for mileage, adding urea helped mileage a lot in 13. Or the emissions falling off. My family all runs Dodge diesels, we currently have 8 of them between us, as old as 94 as new as 2016 so I will say my experience with their durability is not based on one or even a few good trucks, I have owned about 10 myself and only 1 had engine issues but it was due to injector wiring that dealer refused to fix and eventually destroyed entire engine.

One of them is my dads 04.5, has nearly 300k miles on it, purchased at 120k miles, hasn't touched the engine and the truck is abused and maintenance is non existent. The only engine issue with any of the trucks has been on 2 of the 13+ turbo actuators failing around 100k miles, and half of the trucks have over 200k miles on them. The 94 is the only one that has ever had the engine open, but when you're over a million miles, it's expected.

Just one suggestion, get rid of Stanadyne. Run good clean diesel and that's it. Unless the fuel is gelled, don't touch it. I do recall 05's having some injector line and injector issues, but it's a pretty isolated issue. Between all the diesels my family has owned never had any fuel pump failures, and we're talking more then 50 trucks over the years.

I'm not trying to say you made a bad decision, just trying to provide information on the diesels that is realistic. So many people think they cost thousands and thousands to maintain and always have repairs and it's not the case. Many of the one's having engine issue at low mileage is due to people screwing with them.

I am not at all trying to say Cummins are bad trucks, both ours overall have been good trucks. But, the cost of ownership for my personal situation does not pencil out. If I owned my own dirt business and pulled that skidsteer around every day, no doubt I would have gone diesel.

Yes, that is not very good mileage at all. And it is what they have gotten every since we purchased, it's not like they got better mileage at one point and all the sudden it went down hill. Mine was purchased used, my dad has had his since new. Mine didn't even change at all when it got new injectors. I have tried tuners, exhaust, etc on mine. It gets no better for some reason.

I just don't pull heavy enough often enough. My intent of this thread not to get in pissing matches with diesel owners. I was hoping to hear the experiences of Hemi owners. I appreciate the info you have shared based on your experiences, but my personal experience with the diesels we have owned just doesn't match up.

I do not expect the Hemi to pull my skidsteer and dump trailer around nearly as well as my Cummins, but I think it will serve me just fine the other 98% of the time.

Legdoc · Dec 9, 2020

Here are my thoughts thoughts for what it's worth. Up front I'm a Ford guy as I gave upon GM years ago. In 2008 I needed a dually to occasionally pull my 32' GN with my Case 580, haul hay, pull a cattle trailer, ect. Not a daily driver. I didn't want to deal with the Ford Diesel fiasco of the day. My search ended with the purchase of a very slightly used 2006 Dodge 3500 DRW 5.9 6 speed that was pristine at 12k miles. This vehicle has always been exceptionally maintained. Fuel tank always kept full when sitting. This truck is driven about 7k miles per year and other than common rail and a catalytic converter has no emissions BS. Fast forward to 2017 this thing began throwing codes, all on the fuel system. As a former Dodge and Cat technician in a previous life prior to getting fed-up and going back to college I am very aware of the mechanics of the fuel system. Rather than getting raped by the stealership I took it to a certified Dodge/ Cummins technician that moonlights. We, at great detail tested the fuel system utilizing scan tools, checking flows.... Over the course of 2 years every component of the fuel system other than the fuel lines failed factory tests and have been replaced with new OEM parts with exception to Bosh reman injectors. I have spent over 6k on the fuel system alone. So, the question is did I make the right decision with my choice on this truck? At 100k I changed all hoses,belts. water pump fan clutch, installed a single mass Valair HD flywheel clutch pressure plate and throw out bearing . This summer the A/C went out requiring a complete rebuild at 3k. The hydroboost just went out and now now needs a rack and pinion unit. So again, did I make the right decision? I'm certainly not impressed with this Chrysler product as I feel they inferior based on my experience at the dealer in the late 70's. I know Ford has resurrected their big block motor to offer as an alternative to diesel. I'm quite sure it will be thirsty despite FI. How's about a old fashion two speed axle when you need to get dirty for the new gassers? Now at 60 I can see myself winding down a bit especially after nearly being taken out by COVID. While a new truck might be nice I have no desire to spend 75k plus an a new one.

Tyler d4c · Dec 9, 2020

Legdoc said:
Here are my thoughts thoughts for what it's worth. Up front I'm a Ford guy as I gave upon GM years ago. In 2008 I needed a dually to occasionally pull my 32' GN with my Case 580, haul hay, pull a cattle trailer, ect. Not a daily driver. I didn't want to deal with the Ford Diesel fiasco of the day. My search ended with the purchase of a very slightly used 2006 Dodge 3500 DRW 5.9 6 speed that was pristine at 12k miles. This vehicle has always been exceptionally maintained. Fuel tank always kept full when sitting. This truck is driven about 7k miles per year and other than common rail and a catalytic converter has no emissions BS. Fast forward to 2017 this thing began throwing codes, all on the fuel system. As a former Dodge and Cat technician in a previous life prior to getting fed-up and going back to college I am very aware of the mechanics of the fuel system. Rather than getting raped by the stealership I took it to a certified Dodge/ Cummins technician that moonlights. We, at great detail tested the fuel system utilizing scan tools, checking flows.... Over the course of 2 years every component of the fuel system other than the fuel lines failed factory tests and have been replaced with new OEM parts with exception to Bosh reman injectors. I have spent over 6k on the fuel system alone. So, the question is did I make the right decision with my choice on this truck? At 100k I changed all hoses,belts. water pump fan clutch, installed a single mass Valair HD flywheel clutch pressure plate and throw out bearing . This summer the A/C went out requiring a complete rebuild at 3k. The hydroboost just went out and now now needs a rack and pinion unit. So again, did I make the right decision? I'm certainly not impressed with this Chrysler product as I feel they inferior based on my experience at the dealer in the late 70's. I know Ford has resurrected their big block motor to offer as an alternative to diesel. I'm quite sure it will be thirsty despite FI. How's about a old fashion two speed axle when you need to get dirty for the new gassers? Now at 60 I can see myself winding down a bit especially after nearly being taken out by COVID. While a new truck might be nice I have no desire to spend 75k plus an a new one.

There's two of the new 7.3 gassers in the fleet now both from my knowledge are getting 12 to 13 averages with fairly heavy usages

lantraxco · Dec 10, 2020

Tyler d4c said:
There's two of the new 7.3 gassers in the fleet now both from my knowledge are getting 12 to 13 averages with fairly heavy usages

The old carbureted big blocks usually got 7 or 8 loaded or empty, lol. New ones are not too bad.

Any Hemi owners here???

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