DMiller
Senior Member
That Internasty/Navistar has been bought up by Volkswagon, will now be a German Company.
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DMiller
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funwithfuel
Senior Member
They brought that on themselves. If you're an engine company and can't produce an engine, there's something wrong. First they burn Ford with that 6.0 junk and then ruin their loyal customers with the crap force series of engines. Its a crying shame they've fallen so far from what they were.
DMiller
Senior Member
A lot had to do with EPA structured requirements, is the reason CAT backed away from OTR equipment engines too. VW, Mercedes and other Euro manufacturer have been caught packing the data stream mechanisms with bypass programs to make economy while defeating the regulatory requirements, they now have to play in that same limited game International and others have had to deal with. Could have helped if Corn Queen had built something with more resilience but that too costs big money they really did not have.
Traton, Div. VW will be the New owner, wonder if a name change will occur?
MAN, SCANIA?
https://traton.com/en/company/brands.html
Traton, Div. VW will be the New owner, wonder if a name change will occur?
MAN, SCANIA?
https://traton.com/en/company/brands.html
DMiller
Senior Member
Wonder if a NEW Resurgence in COEs for them too?
funwithfuel
Senior Member
The old 466 was their feather in the cap. The HEUIs were the last decent thing they made, and that's stretching it. It's a shame. They made some of the best vocational chassis available short of OshKosh. The only reason service trucks are on their chassis is cuz Ford can't / won't sell 6.7L Cummins.
funwithfuel
Senior Member
Can you imagine a modern 9670?
Spud_Monkey
Senior Member
funwithfuel
Senior Member
The MAN Scania are too wide for America. I think iirc, the cab is 3m across.
Spud_Monkey
Senior Member
Didn't seem that way when I drove them, seemed pretty cramped at the time. Guess wearing body armor few hundred rounds some water canteens it wouldn't matter if it was 3 meters or 8.5 feet it would be cramped.
Used to be every school bus and every municipal truck in my area was on and International chassis, from the days they were IH, Navistar and other names. About 10 years ago that began to change as their reliability became worse and worse. Buses changed to Bluebird and most municipalities went to Freightliner. A local gravel hauling company that ran nothing but International switched to Peterbilt. Just recently I'm seeing the switch back to International now that they are Cummins powered, both in school buses and municipal trucks. Growing up IH was a VERY strong brand locally, tough reliable trucks at an affordable price. We had 3 dealers within a 20 mile radius. I have fond memories of the IH brand from the 60s and 70s but have heard numerous horror stories from the early 2000s until recently.
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
The way I heard it was that they proudly stuck with their all-EGR NOx reduction strategy far too long. Because they thought that everybody would hate DEF and come to them for a truck that ran diesel only. Even after it became obvious that their solution was not meeting requirements and not proving reliable. It seems to me on the outside like somebody inside the company had a lot of pride that the direction he took was the way to go and nobody could tell him different until it was too late.
excavator
Senior Member
Volkstar or Naviwagen ? Sometime back in the 1980's Volkswagen built small cab over trucks for Kenworth and Peterbuilt also.
funwithfuel
Senior Member
Had not heard that. It makes sense though.
BigWrench55
Senior Member
Its really surprising to me that there isn't a giant class action lawsuit against all these companies and teir4 engine. Ever since the teir4 emissions I have spent more time keeping them running than doing any other repairs. 99% of my work load is teir4 emissions.
DMiller
Senior Member
Did not used to have 102" wide trailers either, times adjust to differing strategies, bridges are changing up where the old 9' lanes are almost gone on major US Roadways, are still a load of them but that can be negotiated around as with Oversize Overwide Overweight loads currently running.
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
I don't know anything about class action law but it sounds like an easy defense to say that it is "industry standard" and they are all equally terrible.
mitch504
Senior Member
I looked at it, and what I find is an overall width of 2.49m, or 98 inches.
I still don't think we'll get european style trucks anytime soon, because the demand isn't there. This really isn't anything new, after all, Mack has been owned by Volvo, and Freightliner and it's offshoots by Daimler for years.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/sea...ThznD_m_AsGQCaZM&_guc_consent_skip=1602951374
BigWrench55
Senior Member
They are indeed equally terrible. I haven't put the pen to paper yet, but I am willing to bet that downtime on trucks and equipment are at least twice what it used to be before teir4.
BigWrench55
Senior Member
It could also be my perspective. I tend to get more of those types of jobs because of the complexity and the ability to accurately troubleshoot the problem. I was called in recently to diagnose one that couldn't be figured out. Customer spent 20k trying to get the machine to act right. After a few hours of checking the system and repairs done previously I was able to determine that there was a leaky injector that polluted the SCR.