Virus Shutdown

Facts are there are more deaths in town by April then there were, all of last year

Don't see any sensationalism, but what ever helps ya get thru the night, hope you and yours stay safe

The only way to make it through this pandemic is actual facts, not sensationalism designed to scare people to death. The virus is real and serious but we can't let the cure be worse than the disease either.

Our local Level 1 Trauma Center is set to lose $230 Million due to these restrictions. What does that loss look like in the future, 2-4 years from now when people need medical care? Bankrupting our hospitals is not the solution.

https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/ite...-expense-reduction-strategies-due-to-covid-19

Destroying our economy is not the solution either. There has to be a balance of getting back to business and dealing with the pandemic. We cannot hide in our homes and destroy our economies in fear of a virus. There is a death toll that comes along with economic depression as well.

Well I may well say what everyone wants to say but afraid to, Dollars are more important in the end.------ Although I don't fell that way myself.
It's the way it's been in the past and the way it is now. 6 months after your dead most people forget about you anyway. That's reality and the truth and everyone knows it.

So feel free to blast away at me folks, I probably don't have long to go myself, and that's the truth.

Truck Shop said:

Well I may well say what everyone wants to say but afraid to, Dollars are more important in the end.------ Although I don't fell that way myself.
It's the way it's been in the past and the way it is now. 6 months after your dead most people forget about you anyway. That's reality and the truth and everyone knows it.

So feel free to blast away at me folks, I probably don't have long to go myself, and that's the truth.

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We all have different experiences and opinions.. that's how life works... we also never get out of life alive

Just saying money is the most important thing is kind of misleading.... money is important because it lets you live you get to keep a roof over your head buy food, tools and toys(not in that order maybe...) the fact is this full blown shutdown can absolutely ruin a whole lot of peoples lives.. and their well being and probably even lead to a lot more people dying much sooner than they would have if they kept working....

Truck Shop said:

Well I may well say what everyone wants to say but afraid to, Dollars are more important in the end.------ Although I don't fell that way myself.
It's the way it's been in the past and the way it is now. 6 months after your dead most people forget about you anyway. That's reality and the truth and everyone knows it.

So feel free to blast away at me folks, I probably don't have long to go myself, and that's the truth.

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It's not that dollars are more important than people - it's the fact without dollars we don't eat, house our families or pay the doctor when we are sick. It's the way it is now and how it has always been.

I disagree that most people forget you 6 months after your gone. I miss friends I've lost years ago from time to time, it's the hole in your heart where you would trade your worldly possessions to sit in a booth at the local Waffle House just to shoot the chit again. The biggest pain loosing someone you love is not the initial loss, it's the 10 years down the road not having them in your life.

Lost my mom to cancer 2 years ago April this year. This weekend is a tough one.

Truck Shop said:

Well I may well say what everyone wants to say but afraid to, Dollars are more important in the end.------ Although I don't fell that way myself.
It's the way it's been in the past and the way it is now. 6 months after your dead most people forget about you anyway. That's reality and the truth and everyone knows it.

So feel free to blast away at me folks, I probably don't have long to go myself, and that's the truth.

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I would agree money shouldn't matter and it's what stays when you leave this world so it amounts to nothing of value cause it doesnt buy you more time and it cant buy real people or experience with it either

The fact that you have to have money to exist in this world is just a stark reminder that time waits for nothing and people have no power to change that I only wish blessings upon people

But where do you draw the line of upending people's lives to mitigate risk at what point does the cure become worse than the disease should one person die from it no not at all but should people get old you just cant stop it so what's reasonable

Dont miss understand me on this but I have young kids and not in the position to be able to shut down my business for 2 months and survive I would loose everything with it so to feed my family I am willing to go along way so if I have to step over your dead body to feed my family that's the way it's going to be

Dont think I am heartless I just have made that take prority

Whether the result of good management or just plain good luck, Australia is blessed to have lost only 97 souls to this virus so far, from a population of 26 million.
There is plenty of financial hardship because of the shutdown but, mostly, people have been very accepting, particularly as the results have been so encouraging.

Alaska is lifting air travel restrictions on the 20th. That means you can travel and not do a 14 day quarantine. I’m sure some bush communities will stay off-limits for awhile longer.

Prepping for the fishing season kicked off in Cordova already. One of the Ocean Beauty Seafood Mechanics just caught the virus. Now his whole maintenance crew is in isolation. The Copper River salmon opener is May 14th. They were getting the plant ready. They were tested before they left Seattle and did a quarantine at a hotel before flying. Then, retested in Cordova. Plus, they have to stay at the processor. Can’t leave the property for the entire. And he still got sick.

I’m three months behind on remote work. It will be nice to get some cash flow going.

Australia and New Zealand leaders saw what needed to be done and did it.

AzIron said:

if I have to step over your dead body to feed my family that's the way it's going to be

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Understandable
You will protect your family and if someone killed one of them, there might be a response

If you did something which killed another's family member, maybe a similar response

Hope we all stay safe

CM1995 said:

The biggest pain loosing someone you love is not the initial loss, it's the 10 years down the road not having them in your life.

Lost my mom to cancer 2 years ago April this year. This weekend is a tough one.

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CM...
I feel your pain and I really am sorry for your loss. For everyones loss.
When I lost my mom 9 years ago, it absolutely wrecked me. The guilt from not making time for her when I could have....should have. And the money. Yeah, money had a lot to do with it. You see, she had asked me to be the executor of her estate. Knowing what I know now, there's no way in hell i'll ever agree to do anything like that again. This huge family that I had, all of them in Ecuador...what a bunch of greedy vultures. They were after the money. And as my moms executor, I followed to the letter what she had written in her will. This so called family, many who I didn't know or remember, they all live pretty fat in Ecuador. 4 of them, an uncle, two aunts and a niece actually flew back to the states with me. Why? To collect their checks. Yep, I paid each one of them off BEFORE my mom was placed next to dad at the cemetery. The family that mom so desperately tried to have me reconnect with, down the crapper because of the money. I suppose money can be a good thing and a bad thing. Losing my mom hurt. It hurts every day and I doubt that will ever change. But the money thing, that just made me an angry, bitter and hateful man towards this family of vultures I had. And I mean had. I hope they choked on huge checks I handed them.

Wow.... I apologize for ranting off like this. But your mom and my mom being gone is so damned painful.
Again, sorry for your loss CM.

btw, my moms birthday is in 5 days.
happy birthday mom.


now i need a drink.

AzIron said:

I would agree money shouldn't matter and it's what stays when you leave this world so it amounts to nothing of value cause it doesnt buy you more time and it cant buy real people or experience with it either

The fact that you have to have money to exist in this world is just a stark reminder that time waits for nothing and people have no power to change that I only wish blessings upon people

But where do you draw the line of upending people's lives to mitigate risk at what point does the cure become worse than the disease should one person die from it no not at all but should people get old you just cant stop it so what's reasonable

Dont miss understand me on this but I have young kids and not in the position to be able to shut down my business for 2 months and survive I would loose everything with it so to feed my family I am willing to go along way so if I have to step over your dead body to feed my family that's the way it's going to be

Dont think I am heartless I just have made that take prority

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The whole thing that irritates me about the situation is that we didn’t shut down for Ebola, MERS, SARS, H1N1...but we are wrecking a booming economy for an eminently survivable virus?

I say the most vulnerable should stay home, those that can work from home should, and let the rest of us get on with life. This virus is going to spread regardless of measures and has most likely been here before it was officially acknowledged to be here

We also have the problem of major hospitals all over SC undergoing massive layoffs, due to the fact that they are empty. We always have the problem in this country of forcing rural areas to solve problems in ways that are appropriate to big cities.

After 9/11, I was forced to stop training my firefighters in wildlands, rural water supply (vital with no hydrants), and other needed subjects, because there was no time with the federally mandated high-rise training. I have to drive 55 miles to see a 4 story building.

The point of the shutdown was to keep from swamping the healthcare system all at once. That danger still exists and the medical community is still trying to get a handle on such things as identifying those with the bug, how to best treat those at risk of dying, what are the long term affects of having survived it and how best to prevent it. Apparently over the course of the last four months little has been positively defined on any of those questions. At this point, without a vaccine, everyone will in time contract the bug at some point in the future.

Politicians that have to make decisions based on life or money will usually default to life simply because dead people are not supposed to vote. The aggravation is that our system of capitalism works on the concept of income streams. Money has to constantly be moving in circles. The system cannot tolerate a break in the circle for long. Right now one death does not have a lot of impact on society as a whole. It's tragic to a few family members if you are blue collar and maintained a quiet life. It's news worthy if several people die in an accident, especially if it was preventable. It's also news worthy if a person was prominent is some way, but it will still be forgotten when the cycle shifts to something else. When large numbers of people pass on for some reason the general population goes numb to the numbers and just seem to consider it inevitable. When Tip O'Neill was the speaker of the House of Representatives, he had a saying that "all politics is local." My own view is that politics is based on touch points. The concern now is that political touch points will merge with medical touch points as more people die from the bug.

I didn't read the article as I was in a hurry to work. But there was an article stating, their words, "deaths of despair" were expected to be about equal in number to actual coronavirus deaths. They were classifying suicide, drug or alcohol overdose, and domestic violence in that category.

As for Australia and New Zealand, this is their summer. We don't know yet how effective UV radiation is at killing the virus. And I don't think either of those countries stack people in anywhere as tightly as New York.