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CM1995

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HA! I have to go though the drive thru for regular deposits so Lucy can get a treat through the "magic tube".

I have actually went inside to get a lien waiver notarized and then go through the drive tru so she can get a treat. The bank folks love it.

Hard to say no to a face like this :D

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crane operator

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Michigan Governor just enacted a Stay at Home executive order effective today for the next 3 weeks.

I don't know if I'll be allowed to go home now as I'm currently working out of state. Probably, but will my flights be cancelled? Or will I end up driving the 1500 miles home?
Good luck getting home.

Also- One local town just issued its own quarantine rules. They also decided that not only could they issue rules for town, but also anything within 5 miles of city limits, in shutting non-essential business. They compete for business with a second town right next to them. I think they may be overstepping their jurisdiction a little bit- wanting their quarantine to also shut down the town beside them. So if their home depot shuts down, the lowes two miles down the road in the next town's sales tax district, can't be open. Politics at its best.....

"The authority for this ordinance is laid out in Section 79.380, RSMo which permits the Board of Aldermen to “make regulations and pass ordinances for the prevention of the introduction of contagious diseases in the city, and for the abatement of the same, and may make quarantine laws and enforce the same within five miles of the city."
 

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Michigan Governor just enacted a Stay at Home executive order effective today for the next 3 weeks.

I don't know if I'll be allowed to go home now as I'm currently working out of state. Probably, but will my flights be cancelled? Or will I end up driving the 1500 miles home?
Would you fancy spending couple of hours in a pressurized cigar tube along with 100+ other people, any one of whom might have it.?
 

Nige

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On the other side of the coin how would you feel if you picked it up somewhere while driving home and took it back to MI with you..?

I’m 3000 miles away from home right now and made the decision very early on when flights were still available that I was not going to move. I felt that I was potentially in far more danger while travelling than I would be if I gritted my teeth and stayed put. What’s happened so far since then has convinced me that I made the correct decision.
 

Tarhe Driver

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We're having the same issue here - can't get timely inspections at the best of time...now it's ridiculous. We're fortunate our clients are telling us to push on regardless of inspections. Their mindset seems to be that we gave them the opportunity, and they didn't take it...law also sides with that mindset around here...will sure be interesting longer term though!

The U.S. State of Georgia has made provisions for private inspectors to certify compliance in the building construction industry. I don't know how it works.
 

mitch504

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The U.S. State of Georgia has made provisions for private inspectors to certify compliance in the building construction industry. I don't know how it works.

Interesting how private workers need to be there, but gov't employees don't. I posted somewhere about SC DNR needing dove fields ready to plant, so my operators could run their equipment, but their equip. ops had to "work from home"
 

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Quarantine,I hoped that as the rest of companies we will close down for coupla weeks. And I ll have some rest, ant take care of my domestic needs. But no way we are working,, we serve utility comьunications
 

CM1995

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Good luck getting home.

Also- One local town just issued its own quarantine rules. They also decided that not only could they issue rules for town, but also anything within 5 miles of city limits, in shutting non-essential business. They compete for business with a second town right next to them. I think they may be overstepping their jurisdiction a little bit- wanting their quarantine to also shut down the town beside them. So if their home depot shuts down, the lowes two miles down the road in the next town's sales tax district, can't be open. Politics at its best.....

"The authority for this ordinance is laid out in Section 79.380, RSMo which permits the Board of Aldermen to “make regulations and pass ordinances for the prevention of the introduction of contagious diseases in the city, and for the abatement of the same, and may make quarantine laws and enforce the same within five miles of the city."

That's ridiculous Craneop. If I had a business outside the city limits i would challenge that law in court when this mess is over.

There will probably be many legal challenges with all the shutdown/quarantine orders that have been issued. I'm no lawyer but the government forcing an otherwise legal business to close it doors without just compensation goes against the taking clause of the 5th Amendment in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong I'll do whatever it takes through this pandemic however we don't need to flush our Liberties with it.
 

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I've heard from both my parents and grandparents of times when people were locked down in their houses with a deputy outside who made sure no one left. There might be problems with application of the laws, but from the tales of old that I've been told of, there is plenty of precedent in the past to base todays enforcement actions. You might challenge it in court but an attorney would make you pay all the bills up front as you would likely lose in court.
 

Nige

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I've heard from both my parents and grandparents of times when people were locked down in their houses with a deputy outside who made sure no one left. There might be problems with application of the laws, but from the tales of old that I've been told of, there is plenty of precedent in the past to base todays enforcement actions. You might challenge it in court but an attorney would make you pay all the bills up front as you would likely lose in court.
Plenty of historical precedent for it. This was from the UK (I posted it before) but I'll bet my bottom dollar there have been similar well-documented cases in the US also. If there are then anyone who wants to challenge something in court had best be well-prepared for those precedents to be wheeled out PDQ by the defence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35064071
 

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Precedent doesn't necessarily mean it's right - look at the Japanese internment camps during WWII.

There are many well funded non-profits that bring these types of lawsuits all the time here in the US. It will be interesting when this pandemic is over with how some of this is shaken out.
 

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That's ridiculous Craneop. If I had a business outside the city limits i would challenge that law in court when this mess is over.

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There will probably be many legal challenges with all the shutdown/quarantine orders that have been issued. I'm no lawyer but the government forcing an otherwise legal business to close it doors without just compensation goes against the taking clause of the 5th Amendment in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong I'll do whatever it takes through this pandemic however we don't need to flush our Liberties with it.

I've been involved in a lot of eminent domain cases, variously working for the condemnor or the condemnee. The taking can occur very, very quickly, and by the time it gets to court, it's just an arguement about money
 

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In this state and I suppose most if not all states if a business goes upside down employee wages are to come first. But if the banks get there first all bets are off. Ask me how I know.
There are three levels of creditor for a business that goes bang........
Secured Creditors - normally banks and any other institution that has loaned money to the company against a physical security (land, building, tools, etc.)
Preferential Creditors - usually the employees.
Unsecured Creditors - any person or entity that does not fall into the first two categories.
Order of liquidation of funds is in the same order as it is above. If there is nothing left after the SC have got what they are owed or what is available after liquidating all the assets then that's it, nobody else gets a penny. The only exception to this is if there is some government-funded scheme to make payouts of unpaid salary, etc, to employees.
 
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