DMiller
Senior Member
Well that is just ignorant. Would be as expecting a GI to have a CDL besides his Mil License.
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Hauling a Case 580 Super M series 2
- Thread starter onehandman1
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Well that is just ignorant. Would be as expecting a GI to have a CDL besides his Mil License.
JL Sargent
Senior Member
So you're talking about driving in Michigan only? I would call Michigan DOT to get an answer from them. I have heard that a dual tandem (I have one) is a CDL required trailer every time if being used commercially. You said personal so that's a gray area. I use my Dual axle 25K trailer for personal use here without CDL and have not been stopped or checked. I would not cross or drive by a weigh station though without knowing the specific rules and how they apply to the situation. Good luck.
onehandman1
Well-Known Member
Yes, Only in Michigan and only for personal use. I have hunting property in northern MI, where i haul it to in the summer. and keep it down state in the winter. My understanding is even if the truck is rated to tow lets say 20K, you just can't over load rear GAWR. So in theory a 25K trailer can be loaded to 24K and you could tow it with a truck rated to tow 18K as long as its GAWR is not over.
Legdoc
Senior Member
I move my 580M a max of 50 miles between properties with a 32 tandem dual GN with 12k axles. 2006 Dodge 3500 5.9 6 speed dually. I am under farm exemption. Just a quick tragic story. Several years ago late in he day a self propelled work over rig left a location and was traveling less than 1 mile down the highway to the next location without an overweight permit from Txdot. Unfortunately a vehicle ran into the back of the rig and an occupant of the automobile was killed. Since the rig was on the road illegally the well service company bore the cost of a multi million dollar lawsuit without insurance coverage resulting in bankruptcy.
onehandman1
Well-Known Member
I understand. I'm trying to understand GVWR. If you look at the sticker on the truck it shows gvwr, but doesn't show CGVWR. My understanding(which may be wrong), as long as the trailer has the proper GVWR for the load your hauling, as long as you don't overload rear GAWR on the tow vehicle you are legal. This isn't something I will rush out and do. I really want to understand everything before I make a decision.
Thank you
Paul
Thank you
Paul
Willie B
Senior Member
It may be different in your state. A trailer is rated at GTWR. That weight is with all trailer wheels and the jack sitting on the scale. 25000 might be 20000 on the axles, 5000 on the truck. You may not exceed the trailer manufacturer's GTWR, The truck manufacturer's GVWR, GAWR (axle), or tow rating. Truck builders usually provide gross combined weight rating. Even if empty, towing a 25000 rated trailer with a truck weighing more than 1000 lbs requires CDL. I'm not aware of exemptions for personal use
DMiller
Senior Member
The only way can get ANY exemption as to GVWR limits for CDL or exceeding Tow/towed vehicle GVWR is under AG use, has to be registered in MO for AG use, NOTHING Commercial as to name on machines, in no way can it be Just for Personal use unless is registered as AG. My Trucks and Trailers are licensed to my Farm so as to NOT be CDL limited regardless. Check on that with the MI DOT as well. You exceed 26K and the CDL rules apply unless registered AG is pretty much THE standard.
onehandman1
Well-Known Member
Willie good to know. I'll defiantly need to get a CDL, and maybe a larger truck(shucks). I defiantly need to figure out the number to MI dot
Willie B
Senior Member
Based on my calls to VTDOT, the information you get isn't very reliable. Go to their website. hundreds of people have asked these questions.
Vermont DMV has racks of publications covering given subjects. Likely MI has same.
Vermont DMV has racks of publications covering given subjects. Likely MI has same.
dieseldog5.9
Senior Member
A buddy of mine got a ticket with a Toyota Tundra with a single axle trailer with a lawn mower on it. Combined the gvwr was 10,500 so he needed a medical card. He lives across the river in vt and mows lawns in nh. No letters on his truck, they just recognised him from multiple trips across the boarder.
DOT Officers here typically will not answer questions, they refer you to "The Book" Federal Motor Cariers handbook.
DOT Officers here typically will not answer questions, they refer you to "The Book" Federal Motor Cariers handbook.
JL Sargent
Senior Member
Now that's just ridiculous. If they want to get you, they can.
DMiller
Senior Member
If in ANY business and driving for $$ albeit lawn service you had better be licensed Commercial.
dieseldog5.9
Senior Member
So i am interested in this thread, as i would like to buy a gooseneck trailer. I own a D3 Cat, and E70B Cat and a 230 Timberjack. I think the 230 could reasonably be hauled on a gooseneck, the Cats probably pushing it but not sure, we are in the same weight class as the backhoe. I have a CDL so that is not an issue, but what is reasonable. Bought a 2011 Ram 3500 cab and chassis, see these hot shot guys all the time with tandem duelly goosenecks that are well over the GCVW for this truck all the time so, so not sure what gvw class i should be looking at for a trailer, duel wheels on trailer float better in soft ground and if there is a blowout higher safety factor, but are heavier and take away from carrying capacity.
DMiller
Senior Member
Really need to be asking the State DOT where you are, if they note they will inspect as to Axle Weight Ratings and tires capacities as to being able to shut you down then have to look at Class 6 or heavier equipment. Again becomes a game of cat/mouse/wallet as to expense afforded/affordable and whether your insurer will cover you should you exceed GCWR IF into an accident situation. Electric brakes are somewhat OK, can be a maintenance expense if abused heavily, stopping distance at max payload sucks, lighter axles are not so resilient for duration of time, are MULTITUDES of issues that can confront.
Willie B
Senior Member
Mine is not gooseneck. It has three 7000 LB axles. I'm likely carrying another 5000 on the pintle. Trailer is rated at 23000. They don't say what it weighs empty, I'd guess 5000. I haul my 16500 LB backhoe & other smaller loads. Because of a steep driveway I sometimes travel I load the crawler (14500 LBS) on the truck. I would NOT want to tow this with a smaller truck.
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