Is Komatsu one of the top 4 oem's in skidsteers?
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Deere SkidSteer Smackdown
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petersfamilytru
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Hilarious and entertaining!
Tigerotor77W
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Thanks for the reply -- I'm aware of this (though it's 35%, not 30%). I was asking him to clear up his statement.
Actually ROC is Rated Operating Capacity which is typically half the tip weight in a wheeled machine and 35% on a track machine.
No their not. I think everyone who fields a skid steer or CTL should have been included in the demo. If not at least the top 4: NH, BC, CASE, and CAT. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
My point was that the 297C had the lowest ROC of the three at about 4,200lbs. I know that all machines will lift more than their ROC but I guess it doesn't impress me too much that the Deere could likt 6200lbs. If you look at their pin sizes they aen't any bigger than their skids. When you give a machine too much capability people start to break them. I'm also sure that the 297C and the T320 could handle any normal pallet of hardscape or sod just fine. How much dirt can you fit into an 82" bucket? Not 6200lbs worth and probably not 4200lbs either.
Might as well throw the ASV PT100 in there too.
Construct'O
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Thats a 84" bucket
and there are people that do more then just move dirt or sod.With the price of salvage iron there are guys using pallet fork and lifting and loading pickups and salvage car,iron,ect. that is close to or over the 6200 lb range.
So to them lift is not overated and needed for there busniess:usa
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I know a lot of guys running Deere's and have never heard of any snapped pins or "overload" type damage. Just because you don't lift the max amount your machine is capable of on a daily basis doesn't mean you aren't getting a benefit from that capability. More bucket and boom power means less stalling out in stockpiles, faster digging in hard material, larger bucket capability, more productivity overall.
Also, regarding ROC numbers, that number has absolutley nothing to do with hydraulic capability. It is determined with the machine off and the boom in the most susceptible position. Start hanging weight and see when she tips. So just because the T320 has the same ROC as a CT332, doesn't by any means mean that the machines will be capable of lifting the same amount.
Prairie Dog
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I have a ASV RCV and we routinely lift its max capacity or use its max pushing power. We have a grapple bucket for it and lift things like tree roots and concrete where you are at your tipping limit. Also if you are on any slope the higher your tipping limit the more you can load at a time on uneven ground. We also push a lot of gravel piles and dirt at the site for leveling, or cutting out hard clay. Our machines are continually used at their max power range.
We are demoing a new CT332 on tuesday for digging a basement and doing some lot grading. **we are digging the basement with the hydraulic excavator and trimming in the level with the skid steer.** I want to do my own demo on this machine.
We are demoing a new CT332 on tuesday for digging a basement and doing some lot grading. **we are digging the basement with the hydraulic excavator and trimming in the level with the skid steer.** I want to do my own demo on this machine.
yea, I agree--------did you ever try a Deere skidloader?
I have, although I would like to run one of the E/H models. I really cant stand their control system, now that is updated, I would like to spend a day on one.
can you let me know how demo goes and how it compairs to the asv
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Anyone worth their salt knows you can rig any series of tests to reflect any outcome you want, that's why the thing is bs to me. and so is paying extra for pilot controls when they are standard in other machines.
You are still paying for the pilots in other machines even though they are considered "standard equipment", however, Deere's are actually EH (electric over hydraulic) controls, same controls that Cat uses in their C series skid loaders
ncbschzzt
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You mean Cat has EH controls similar to Deere.
they are from the same supplier, as far as I know---they are in all C series Cat skidloaders
The only part that is from the same suppliers is the actual handles. The programming and what happens between the valve and the handles is brand specific, each with their own ideas on what is best. The first thing I noticed when I drove the Deere joysticks is that when you're turning, you don't get the jolt/hesitation from the inside track/tires slowing down. The Deere's speed up the outside track/tires to make the turn so it's much smoother. Cool idea.
To me it makes a lot of sense to pay extra for joysticks. Not everybody wants that style, so why limit your options. Pay for what you want. Even with the E/H, you'll still be thousands cheaper than the closest thing Cat offers. I think Case has gone to standard pilots on the track units, but I don't see many of them around here and haven't priced one to know where they fall in.