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john arianas

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I have an obsolete skid loader,.... Brand Make: Skid Steer, ......M/N: 1644,.........S/N:1064 I'm looking for any contact info for parts, or parts manual new or used. The machine was purchased new, it has a 4 cyl Perkins diesel, its chain driven and has served me well for the past 35 years. I broke an axel hub and would like to replace axel, axel hub, and large hub nut, any info would be appreciated.
 

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The best photo I can get of this skid loader is uploaded. The machine broke Sunday in the field in North Carolina, I'm in NY today The make is Skid Steer M/N 1644 S/N is 1064, the truck is early 1980's, can anyone provide info for parts. Thank you. IMG_2751.jpg
 

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Pictures of what broke would be really helpful. If its an oddball make that wasn't mass produced I would guess you're going to have to get lucky and find one that been put out to pasture that has the part you need still in good shape, or have the part that broke repaired or remade by a machinist.

Always a chance someone here will recognize it and know where one is sitting.

Best of luck!
 

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Those where also sold as international and a few other brands d
Should be able to find what you need if I'm thinking right
 

john arianas

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Pictures of what broke would be really helpful. If its an oddball make that wasn't mass produced I would guess you're going to have to get lucky and find one that been put out to pasture that has the part you need still in good shape, or have the part that broke repaired or remade by a machinist.

Always a chance someone here will recognize it and know where one is sitting.

Best of luck!
Pictures of what broke would be really helpful. If its an oddball make that wasn't mass produced I would guess you're going to have to get lucky and find one that been put out to pasture that has the part you need still in good shape, or have the part that broke repaired or remade by a machinist.

Always a chance someone here will recognize it and know where one is sitting.

Best of luck!
Pictures of what broke would be really helpful. If its an oddball make that wasn't mass produced I would guess you're going to have to get lucky and find one that been put out to pasture that has the part you need still in good shape, or have the part that broke repaired or remade by a machinist.

Always a chance someone here will recognize it and know where one is sitting.

Best of luck!
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This is a photo of the axel, it has a woodruff key way that holds a 6 lug tire hub, then a 2" nut that secures the hub. I'm having the hub shipped up and will supply photos when i get. Any suggestions on junk yards to contact? Thank you
IMG_2750.JPG IMG_2750.JPG
 

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First off to be way too fussy I don't think that is a Woodruff key:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(engineering)#Woodruff_keys

That shaft is a bit nasty looking to be sure, wonder if it would be possible to weld it up a bit then machine back down to standard size? Not sure if that could be done without causing stress risers that would lead to a total failure.
 

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It looks like it has already been welded. Proper repair would be to have it turned down, plasma sprayed then ground to fit the hub. Depending on the hub condition it will need to be sprayed and ground also.

A machinist could make a new axle and hub.

Cost either way will not be cheap and likely we’ll exceed the value of the machine. Neighbor had same problem with an old Oliver backhoe. Axle and hub quotes were $3k and up to make new.
 

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It looks like it has already been welded. Proper repair would be to have it turned down, plasma sprayed then ground to fit the hub. Depending on the hub condition it will need to be sprayed and ground also.

A machinist could make a new axle and hub.

Cost either way will not be cheap and likely we’ll exceed the value of the machine. Neighbor had same problem with an old Oliver backhoe. Axle and hub quotes were $3k and up to make new.

Also I would add that how long one was expecting this machine to be worth keeping around!

By this I mean is it something that you might use for a couple hours a month to push around some dirt or snow. Or are you hoping to start a business digging basements and will be using it 50 hours a week?

As I'm assuming the resale value of this machine is next to zero and even if new or very good used parts are probably going to be way too expensive. I would be looking at the cheapest way to get it functional for the short term.

How about just finding a disk of say inch thick steel and cutting a hole in the center to fit over the axle shaft then weld it in place. Then drill holes to allow you to bolt the rim to it? It's not like this thing goes down the highway at 60 miles an hour!

This could get the machine to the point it was at least usable and give you time to hunt around behind sheds and barns in the area to see if there is another one you could salvage some parts off.

In the first post it was mentioned the machine was purchased new, is the dealer still around or even anyone who worked there back in the day? I'd try finding out if anyone else in the area knew some one who also bought one. If your area is like here in Central NY near me there are all kinds of junk just sitting around some old farm buildings. I see things like tractors and such sitting with engines missing or wheels off with weeds and trees growing up the middle.
 

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OK did some searching and found this picture that sure looks like it could be this machine:IH3200.png
IH 3200

And then there is what looks like the same machine but with Massey Ferguson 811 model number:
MF 811.png
Or is that 711???

And even found a video of one working, Says it is a Northwestern Brand machine and seems they were also sold under the Gehl brand-name!
 
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Spray welding and turning down is worth a try and not terribly expensive. Was around $300 to do on the shaft for the rotary swing cylinder on my backhoe.
 

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I assume this shaft extends through the chaincase with a bearing holding the other side? Sprocket between the two bearings? The shaft doesn't look that hard to make for someone with a some talent and small machine shop. I'm assuming the sprocket isn't welded onto it or you'd never be able to get it out? If it was my machine I think I would take it out and take it to a few machine shops and see if they thought they could repair or remake it for a few hundred dollars. As others have said the machine is old enough putting thousands into it probably isn't wise.
 

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I really want to thank everyone for their replies its been MOST helpful. It would seem I would have many options now, and yes the machine is worth keeping it has only 250 original hours, not used too often but needed. The truck has no computers, no complications, very reliable and I like it.

When it was new it was badly abused causing the breakage, it was temporarily repaired, that was 30 years ago and worked till now. I guess the real issue it; who is the manufacturer. The photos really help perhaps I can back track.

This is one of the few skid loaders that I have seen that have a large exterior lock nut holding the hub on to the axel, I thought that would help identify the unit.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HELP IT IS MOST APPRECIATED!
 

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Farmland Tractor Supply in Tangent, Oregon is a large wrecking yard for Ag and industrial equipment. Might be worth a call once you know what you have. They are proud of there stuff though!
 

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I truly thank everyone for their responses, its been most helpful. Perhaps someone can recognize and associate the wheel hub w/ a manufacturerIMG_2758.JPG
 
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