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Bobcat 753 - help identifying hydraulic hoses

catmanjan

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I've found a pretty bad split in one of my hydraulic hoses coming out of the tank, I don't think its leaking oil, more of a seep but I am concerned that this is letting air in and causing my lift issues

What is the hose with the brass fitting called (to the right of the inline filter)? I have looked at the parts catalogue but since the diagrams show each hose individually I am not 100% sure

https://photos.app.goo.gl/X9sQnG82pY1Muffy7

Thanks for your time
 

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That's just a return line, I think it's teed into the solenoids,motor.etc... maybe like case drain.... hard to say what they call it without digging up my book.
 

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Are you wanting to know which hose it is so you can order it from a Bobcat dealer? It's going to be a low pressure hose since it's got that brass crimped fitting such as a return to tank line.
 

catmanjan

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Are you wanting to know which hose it is so you can order it from a Bobcat dealer? It's going to be a low pressure hose since it's got that brass crimped fitting such as a return to tank line.

Yeah, if I can work out what its called I can try and find the part number myself, or even better if someone knows the P/N already!

Since it is a return line, am I correct in thinking that the split is unlikely to be leading to issues with my lift system?
 

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We'd have to know the machine s/n to have a chance of helping pull the part number, and I'm not sure if an Aussie machine is going to have some small differences from a North America machine.

Exactly what is your lift system doing?
 

catmanjan

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My S/N is 512716833

I am thinking it is P/N 6702079 but I think I may have to take it in to get them to confirm - it may be the hose marked as 16 in this diagram: https://gpim-media.dibhids.net/ipc/e2225.gif

I posted some videos in my other thread: https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/bobcat-753f-boss-system-not-working.79667/

Basically the lift gets slower and slower as I use it, I have a pressure gauge on order so I can confirm if its something mechanical but in the meantime I am trying to do what I can by visual inspection only
 

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I've found a pretty bad split in one of my hydraulic hoses coming out of the tank, I don't think its leaking oil, more of a seep but I am concerned that this is letting air in and causing my lift issues

What is the hose with the brass fitting called (to the right of the inline filter)? I have looked at the parts catalogue but since the diagrams show each hose individually I am not 100% sure

https://photos.app.goo.gl/X9sQnG82pY1Muffy7

Thanks for your time
I have a cat place close to me. they can match any fitting and size up and they can look at the hose tell what the pressure rating is . would be surprised if it had anything to do with your hydraulics though. if its seeping it needs to be replaced though.
 

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Need more info than just that. When you say "lift gets slower", does that mean the loader arm lift gets slower? Or does that mean the operation of the whole machine (the lift, slang) gets slower?
 

catmanjan

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Need more info than just that. When you say "lift gets slower", does that mean the loader arm lift gets slower? Or does that mean the operation of the whole machine (the lift, slang) gets slower?

Hi Willie, its just the lift system - here are the video links from the other thread if that helps explain at all?

Basically it lifts fine the first time, and each time after that it gets slower and slower until it doesnt lift at all unless I "pulse" the lift pedal

 

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Just watching the videos, and if it's only the loader arm lift function that's having the problem, looks like either a problem with lift cylinder piston seals or possibly faulty relief valve for loader arm lift. I assume the machine doesn't have self leveling bucket option. I don't really hear it loading the engine heavy as it's slowing down the lift function like it would when cylinders bottom out. I hear a slight loading of the engine, but that's about it. If the tilt function loads the engine heavy when you dead out the tilt cylinder then I'd be looking into either lift cylinder piston seals first and then lift relief valve.

You may be correct with the 6702079 hose, but I can't say for sure. I'd be tempted to pull that hose and have it made, any hyd hose shop can make it. But to remove that hose you better have a JIC cap to quickly cap the fitting in the bottom of the tank or you're going to dump all the oil in the tank. Option would be apply a light vacuum from a shop vac on the oil fill hole of the tank while you remove the hose, but again, you need the proper JIC cap to cap the hole while the hose is removed.
 

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Thanks Willie, I tested the tilt and it appears to load the engine when fully extended - whats the next step for determining if its the cylinder piston seals? Or do I just need to order a set and hope for the best?
 

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Sorry to confuse you, but I've done a bit more searching and I think what I heard wasn't the engine being loaded - there was a noise coming from my right but I now think that was just hydraulic fluid. With the engine at minimum revs I couldn't make the engine stall out or work harder (not sure if you're meant to be able to stall them out this way)

So I guess I am back to waiting for my gauge to arrive to see if the relief valves are bad or if it needs a near gear pump or something... What I don't understand is how I am able to tilt to lift the machine but not lift the arms
 

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Yes, you are confusing me. To clarify, check with engine at idle, and no it shouldn't stall the engine at idle, but you should notice a notable load on the engine if things are proper. On a 753 C series, which is I assume you have by your s/n, the main control valve has a main relief valve that provides relief for all loader functions, i.e., lift, tilt and auxiliary functions, set at 2500 psi. A port relief is fitted to the loader arm lift up functions set at 3500 psi.

What I was saying was operate your tilt, engine at idle, tilt up until the cylinder bottoms out. At that point, if it puts a good load on the engine, and especially if the machine is able to tilt up a good scoop of material with the bucket without laboring to do so, then it's likely your pump and main relief valve is good.

If yes, then you've isolated the problem to the loader arm circuit, either faulty port relief on loader arm circuit or faulty cylinder piston seals. Obviously it won't raise the arms, bottom out the cylinder and load the engine, I can see that much watching the video. So check you cylinders one at a time. Loader arms all the way down at rest, relieve the pressure on the circuit by pulling up the manual release and working the pedal. Remove the hose fitting connected to the base end of one of the cylinders, cap the hose, leave the cylinder fitting open. Start engine, tip the pedal for the loader arms as you would to make them go down. If you have oil coming from the open fitting on the cylinder, failed piston seals. Check the other cylinder the same.

If cylinders check OK, disconnect the hose connected to the base of both loader arm cylinders, cap both hoses. Start the engine, at idle, tip the pedal as you would to raise the loader arms. If it doesn't put a good load on the engine then you likely have a failed lift circuit port relief valve or some other fault with the control valve.
 

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Thanks Willie, getting the fittings off the base end of these cylinders isn't working for me, would that test work (with the arms down) by disconnecting the fitting at the bucket end of the cylinder and tilting my pedal to lift, or am I likely to get a false negative?
 
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