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Knepptune

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Indiana
One factor that hasn’t been brought up is whether or not your union. I don’t want to get into a union discussion but I can tell you that you are not getting many industrial/commercial jobs being non union in Indianapolis.

You can keep a 40t busy setting trusses and small hvac units but I think if you go straight to a 60t you’ll end up wearing it out doing boom truck jobs or it’ll sit a lot.

If it was me I’d start with a 40t. But if I was moving somewhere to start a crane business I wouldn’t come to Indy. The market is a little saturated here. I know within the last 2-3 years you could get 70t truck cranes out for $140 an hr.
 

crane operator

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Mar 27, 2009
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Location
sw missouri
Its easy to say- "I'll just derate my 60 ton for the small jobs", but it really doesn't work out that way, in the real world, very well. If you're having to drag a 60-70 ton truck crane into a muddy site to set trusses, and all you have to pull it with is the framers 10k forklift, you are sure going to wish you had a smaller crane.

I also don't know that the difference between a 95' or 110' main boom, when comparing a tms 700 to a grove 500/ terex 340, is a real deal breaker. If you can't reach it with 95' main, you probably aren't reaching it with 110' either. Learn to swing a jib.

If you study the charts on the 115' main tms540's that you are talking about, you'll find out that its really too much boom, for no more ctw. than it has, the chart falls off fast at radius.

Part of this equasion, is you and what you want to do. I've got a buddy that thinks I'm crazy with my old truck cranes, he runs new boom trucks and loves their speed and ride up and down the road, scooting from job to job. He wants new, so he doesn't have to work on anything. He's in a much flatter terrain than I am, so the 24' outrigger span doesn't bother him, where that's a real deal breaker for me. I don't mind working on my older stuff, its simpler than the new stuff, and I don't have any factory/ dealer support where I am located either. So for me, a lot of the older simpler stuff works out better.

If you are debating whether a 2001 tms760 or a terex t560 is going to be more reliable than a 1996 tms 640, I'm going to say there won't be any difference. They all need work at that age. The 1996 will have maybe a little less electronics on the engine. It will be about the same on the control systems. Terex is really bad about parts, Grove is headed that way, but not nearly as bad. Condition means more at that age than years do. Budget is a consideration also. Whatever amount you have to buy the crane with, you need to have twice that amount for operating/ repair costs.

A decent 3 axle truck crane, or a 40 ton boom truck will do great amount of small crane work, and be on the edge of some commercial work. Getting into either one of those at under $100,000 isn't too hard. But you better be a mechanic also, because you will go under, if you have to pay someone to fix anything that goes wrong. In some respects, a boom truck is nicer if you aren't a mechanic, because you can get a truck repair place to deal with the carrier issues, which is cheaper than a "crane" mechanic.
 

Impact

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Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
517
Location
Kentucky
Occupation
Owner
Impact, do you do a lot of driving to get to jobsites?
in my area at least, I've never heard of a 4 hour minimum on a boom truck.
I've been searching for a deal on a 700E, but haven't had any luck.
I do normally have to travel but not always. To qualify my statement though, I really don’t want to even rent my boom truck. Hence the 4 hour minimum on it.
 

Buck-Rogers

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Nov 15, 2019
Messages
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Location
Titusville Florida
Crane Op.
I appreciate the input.
You're right about the size being a bigger issue than I'm giving it credit derating the crane was just an idea.
I can swing jibs so problem I just want to do as much research as I can because once I buy a machine, I'm stuck with it.
I don't want to get a year down the road and wish to god I had made a different purchase decision.
that being said, I also recognize that no machine is perfect, and at a certain point I just need to make a decision.
your input helps a lot, I'm leaning towards the TMS640, there's a guy in Louisianan that has one. he want's $65,000 but it needs a new LMI system and it isn't certified. but it looks clean, and has low miles/hours.
starting a business with an overhead crane purchase of probably around $75,000 total is more attractive than a $165,000 Terex Crane.
 

Buck-Rogers

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Messages
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Location
Titusville Florida
One factor that hasn’t been brought up is whether or not your union. I don’t want to get into a union discussion but I can tell you that you are not getting many industrial/commercial jobs being non union in Indianapolis.

You can keep a 40t busy setting trusses and small hvac units but I think if you go straight to a 60t you’ll end up wearing it out doing boom truck jobs or it’ll sit a lot.

If it was me I’d start with a 40t. But if I was moving somewhere to start a crane business I wouldn’t come to Indy. The market is a little saturated here. I know within the last 2-3 years you could get 70t truck cranes out for $140 an hr.

My intention was to setup near or around Bloomington or TH so that I was within reach of southern Indy, but mainly serve Bloomington.
I would like to set up in Fort Wayne, but Docs and Central are already pretty well established.
 
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