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580SL Manifold Heater vs Ether Injector

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I'm not a fan of using ether on diesel engines as I've had several compression lock as the ether fires off well before TDC and earlier the diesel. That's hard on an engine. Instead, and only when absolutely necessary, I'll use some gasoline in a spray bottle. The gas fires earlier than diesel but not as early as ether and not as volatile. But I don't want to make this the norm. It's not on mine but Case uses an ether injector as their method to cold starting on the 580SL. It has a 120v block heater but not always access to electric. I would prefer to add a manifold heater. The machine is currently an hour away but the parts diagram looks like there is a plug on the manifold. Several questions... Anyone ever put one on the 4T-390? Is that plug hole an appropriate place? The size and thread of the hole? I see heater elements for other Case tractors online, just wondering if they would fit.
 
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Have you had ether compression lock from an injection system? You could wire it up so you have to hit another button once the engine has reached full cranking speed, that might help. Or put a smaller orifice in there. I'm assuming you're not emptying the can into the air filter and then cranking it...:D
 

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No injection system just using the can and not much. Not all engines. The two stroke Detroit doesn't seem to mind but my Deutz and Cummings don't like ether at all. I would prefer the intake heater and the injection system would most likely be more expensive anyway. Can do the heater for about $70-80... element, wiring, relay and switch.
 

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Try holding the ether can farther away from the air intake and press lightly on the discharge button. The surrounding air dilutes the concentrated stream of ether.
I removed the manifold air heater on my Case 301 diesel. It took a lot of battery power and I just had better results with ether. I eliminated one of the battery's after I no longer had that heater.
 

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Thanks, Still wanting an intake heater. The Cummings and Duetz have them and they work well. What I really like on the Duetz is the decompression lever for cold starting. Get it spinning fast (no compression) and ease the lever in and out til she starts. Even a low battery will get it started. Gets the oil pressure up first too.
 
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Cummins used a grid preheater on that engine that went on the manifold between it and the air intake . If your switch has a accessory position you would need the heater ,a magnetic switch and the wiring.
Bob
 

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The intake preheater from a ford 7.3 and maybe others runs inside a big pipe plug thread. big coil and gets red hot
 

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You mean like a contactor? I know the glowplug/intake heaters on the ford use the same form factor relay as is used for a starter relay, I suppose where its duty cycle is relatively short they don't worry about overheating.
 

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That image is a Case 580C heater. Part # 218349A1. They were installed in thousands of Case Ag. tractors also.
A plain ole Delco stater solenoid one similar tothe one in image will work just fine. That is what was OEM om my 680CK manifold heater. Like this one ---->
acdelco-car-starters-1115616-64_1000.jpg
 

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what Tinker shows is ford thermostart requires a heavy wire with a #3 female spade connector,, will require a fuel feed to it, most put a tee pointing down in the return in line from inj. pump to fuel tank, yes best to use a solenoid because of amp. pull,,,the line to thermostart should stay full,, when power is actived to thermostart it will heat up and open up, letting fuel go in the heat will cause a flame in the intake,,it closes when power is turn off to it
 

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Thermostart, well by golly I'd love to have one of those in my 7.3 almost like the old perkins one or what the deuce's had with the 'winter' package
 

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That image is a Case 580C heater. Part # 218349A1. They were installed in thousands of Case Ag. tractors also.
A plain ole Delco stater solenoid one similar tothe one in image will work just fine. That is what was OEM om my 680CK manifold heater. Like this one ---->
View attachment 205071
That be a mag. switch or relay depending whose machine it's on.
Bob
 
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The pre-heater @Tinkerer pictured above is common to all the 580SK/SL/SM machines sold here, as we have EU built machines.
Our climate generally negates any purpose for them & after a while they end up leaking diesel fuel into the intake causing excessive smoke.
I have disconnected & eliminated dozens of them over the years.
I can't believe the US market doesn't install them from factory as does the EU, since a big percentage of your machines operate in low temperatures.

From what I've seen, not all intake manifolds have the threaded plug to install these pre-heaters. Hopefully yours has one.
 

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The pic of the element that Tinkerer posted is what I was looking towards to install but I checked yesterday and the manifold does not have the plug hole on the manifold top plate. Was down to 10 degrees and had to have some help to start. I guess I could remove, drill and tap or replace the top plate. Suddenly this 'easy upgrade' just got a lot more involved/expensive. :(
Thanks, Roger, Pittsburgh, PA
 
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