Just some work pics

Pretty much Scrap Iron now.

DMiller said:

Pretty much Scrap Iron now.

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Yes, I'm sure that's where its headed. But first the insurance guys need to fight over it.

Early word was that it needed to be hauled to a authorized JLG repair center for a accurate assessment of its damage and value. Houston or maybe Kansas City. But I think that has changed. Home builder/ contractor needed it out of his way, and I've been putting off because we've been so busy. But it was 60 degrees today and supposed to be 20 degrees and rain/ snow next week, so saturday morning sounded better.

In other news, this showed up this week too, because I need more projects.

Its a 2003, Grove tms 500e with a myriad of issues. Hopefully none of them will be terribly expensive. Gotta be optimistic.

95' main, one winch, c7 with a allison trans. No jib (I'm looking for one if anyone knows where there's one laying- a rt 530e jib will also fit it).

Current issues - various body panels dinged and dented, no swing brake, outriggers not working, multiple engine oil leaks, rusted solid 1/2 outrigger pins (thank you northern New York road salt dept.). Got some rust under a repaint. Hyd. oil cooler leaking, tool box ratchet strapped to the frame. Air bags not inflating on the drivers side- I think that one might be leveling valve. Exhaust brake isn't working either.

Does run and drive, and the pumps engage. I tried to set it up in the yard for a quick trial run, and promptly blew a hyd. hose. I think there's another hyd. leak back in the swivel area, I can't tell yet where its coming from. Going to need tires, brakes, and drums.

So far- nothing I don't think we can't fix. The rust is a big pain, I just cut off the bolts and brackets when replacing the blown hyd line. The only thing nice about the various oil leaks, its kinda protected some of the stuff from rust.

It's the heavy counterweight version, and looks like it will have a good chart for a lot of the small work we do.

Outriggers likely Electrical associated to the Salt Cancer. Should be solenoid operated on that.

Hope it was at a Decently LOW price. A little sand blasting get down to Steel, rust converter/inhibitor under prime and good for REAL paint job

DMiller said:

Hope it was at a Decently LOW price. A little sand blasting get down to Steel, rust converter/inhibitor under prime and good for REAL paint job

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It was cheap enough that I figured "why not?" It showed up on ironplanet probably 6-8 months ago at $90,000. They kept dropping the price all summer long, and when it went under 1/2 of the original asking price this fall, I pulled the trigger. I guess when I get it running right, I'll know if it was still a good deal or not. Most of the ones like it in age/ hours, are listed for sale from $100-150,000.

The outriggers are electrical issues. Weatherproof switches on the fenders were replaced with dash type. Rust has got them ate up. I think the bones are good, its just a bunch of little stuff wrong, and that snowballs if no one is fixing them.

I was pretty concerned about the c7 not being enough engine, but I ran it around the loop at my shop after unloading, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it pulled for no bigger motor than it is.

7L is not exactly Dainty!! Is a Six cylinder and electronic, should do well for your motive power.

I like it.

I will say I still don’t know what the difference is between a 3126 and a C7 cat. Does the C7 still have the heui injectors.

Those little cats make good power. It’s just the fact that they can’t make full power for long. They will neuter themselves on a hard climb.

Those allison transmissions are nice. If it was my choice I’d never drive a manual anything again.

crane operator said:

Offloaded the two new generators for the hospital project. Tier 2, limited to under 500 hrs a year, unless there is a catastrophic event, then they can run them all they want, and the epa doesn't care. (per the cat salesman)

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Genset engines always amaze me. That engine in the photo was dyno tested @ a hair over 1500 BHP. Same model engine in a machine would make under a 1000.

Pulling a Generator is a lot different than shoving a machine. Environment stays a tad more stable and less throttle adjustments much as Marine apps.

DMiller said:

Nige said:

Genset engines always amaze me. That engine in the photo was dyno tested @ a hair over 1500 BHP. Same model engine in a machine would make under a 1000.

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Pulling a Generator is a lot different than shoving a machine. Environment stays a tad more stable and less throttle adjustments much as Marine apps.

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Like RVs, fire trucks, and military vehicles, they know it will likely never see much more than a couple thousand hours in its lifetime, before it is pulled and made into paper clips.

DMiller said:

7L is not exactly Dainty!

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7.3 may be fine for your ford pickup, but we're talking about moving 60,000lbs around. Double digits ahead of the L, would be a whole lot nicer. But nobody makes the 3 axle truck cranes, with a real engine in them. Like a 10l mack or a m11 or even a detroit 11.1 or 12.7. Terex, Grove or Link belt, they all are small cat's or 8.3 cummins. If I wanted big power, I've got to go to a boom truck, and that's a trade off I didn't want.

I've already looked, there is all kinds of room in this ones engine compartment. If I can sort out the electrical, a engine swap won't be too difficult. But I'll give the little cat a whirl for a while first. Fix what's broke and get it running.

Hyd. oil cooler is coming out tomorrow. Its been leaking around the bottom for a while lots of dirt buildup around it, and I see no reason to not just pull it out and get it fixed before going any further. Its aluminum, doesn't leak setting in the shop, must take warm oil to make it leak. I think a radiator shop should be able to fix it, there's no pressure there, just flow.

Nige said:

Genset engines always amaze me. That engine in the photo was dyno tested @ a hair over 1500 BHP. Same model engine in a machine would make under a 1000.

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I asked the cat man about california gensets, he says they don't comply with the CARB board standards either. He did say they "earthquake" test them. 3G's worth of shaking for 3 hours, then a full load run for a hour with nothing falling off, before they get certified for gimbal mounts. He said it usually takes several tries on new designs to keep them from shaking themselves to pieces.

Aluminum should be relatively easy to repair for an experienced TIG welder but I'd take it to an experienced aluminum welder who works on radiators and/or aluminum fuel tanks. Someone who works on race cars may be another option. The nice thing with aluminum is if there is dirt in the weld, you can grind the dirty weld out and reweld it. On steel it's a lot more of a hassle.

We had 7.3s at the Utility in Corn Queen S Series chassis, five speed and two speed differentials with a Man basket boom, did just fine in those. Inline six C7 should be a strong little engine for just roading or running the hydraulics as not so much a Tractor Trailer running 80k down the highway at speed all day. Can still see the 1160/3208 powered machines running everyday along with the Ford 6.6 and 7.8 inline's, Ran a LONG time old school technology. Many old truck cranes out there were Detroit 4/71 and 6v53 powered so I would not discount this one just yet.

Tandem pick and carry on rubber, around the backside of a indoor pool facility to set some big air handler/ dehumidifier units. Had to have the power co. come put on some sleeves, power lines were a little close for comfort, and no other way to do it. I rented the 10k telehandler and used the galion. 10,000lbs units, and it seemed like most of the weight was in one end.

Back around and in the lean to building, then skates and the forklift to push. We had to do the second one in the dark because the trucks showed up so late.

Was a little cool here early in the week 13-15 degrees or so. Warmed up though, last couple days have been in the 50's. Got a little sleet and snow also. Western star sends out smoke signals on a cold start.

Old amvets closed down, so moving the display to a different location. The plan is for a paint/refurbish and then back on display. 12' wide on the trailer, but I would have been over 16' and overheight also if we hadn't taken the rotor off.

Got my glue on kit, for my liebherr winch line spelter socket. Glue has a use by date of dec/2019, so I better get going on it. It looks like I better read the instructions twice.

What is the cure time on that?
They put a lot of faith in it.

DMiller said:

What is the cure time on that?
They put a lot of faith in it.

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The glue compound gels in about 20 minutes, within a temperature range. Then its ready for service 60 minutes after that. They recommend a proof test, which we can do with a test weight. With the relatively low winch pull, the most it should see is 13,600 lbs.

Must be some hot rod stuff. After you mix the two parts its flammable, use in a well ventilated area, no skin contact, wear a mask, etc. etc.

The replacement end I bought is supposed to be reusable. I suppose you cut off the cable again, and then drill out/ carbide bur bit the compound and cable inside, and you can reuse the end. The factory one is mechanical swage. Which is fine until you damage the cable, which is usually 5' from the end where it gets up against some iron or concrete. No reason to replace 700' of cable for a 5' bad spot.

The one on the aux. has been cut off, and it looks like they used a 5/8" becket on it. The owners before me, actually never mounted the aux., so the becket they used is gone, I have the factory second becket, and would like to be able to use that when doing 2 line work.

Likely will be seriously Exothermic so be cautious when handling that until done setting. Not seen that before but heard of the use, good luck.

As to the haul in photos, not seen many jobs the Enganears thought out as to placement positioning being a workable solutions that did not require Millwrights to accomplish. Architects not asking Enga's opinions are even worse.