crane operator
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Flying the last floor of wall panels on the new kids museum. The overhang makes it a little more difficult than the first two floors.
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Just some work pics
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crane operator
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crane operator
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Had to go look at this after work monday. They were running it boomed clear up, on a bad slope, with a dozer on it with a chain. It still flipped over backwards, and almost flipped the dozer.
At least no one was hurt. I told them to just cut the boom out of it where it was laying, and have a wrecker drag up the house, and then the boom. Its a total loss.
At least no one was hurt. I told them to just cut the boom out of it where it was laying, and have a wrecker drag up the house, and then the boom. Its a total loss.
crane operator
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The power company came up with a different transformer, so we didn't have to wait another 10 weeks to install the 2nd transformer at the hospital project.
There was a hump in the floor, and we ended up having to put the back half on standard alligator skates and push it with a forklift, I kept losing the air cushion on my air skates on the high spot in the floor. I knew the first one went too easy. But at least we got to put it in before they blocked up the wall and built the interior walls around the transformers.
The interior walls will have only a 8' wide doorway opening in front of each transformer, with the walls only 3' off the transformers. The transformers are 7' 11 1/2" wide. Should be fun when one of them doesn't work. They will only have a 10' door onto a loading dock on the outside.
There was a hump in the floor, and we ended up having to put the back half on standard alligator skates and push it with a forklift, I kept losing the air cushion on my air skates on the high spot in the floor. I knew the first one went too easy. But at least we got to put it in before they blocked up the wall and built the interior walls around the transformers.
The interior walls will have only a 8' wide doorway opening in front of each transformer, with the walls only 3' off the transformers. The transformers are 7' 11 1/2" wide. Should be fun when one of them doesn't work. They will only have a 10' door onto a loading dock on the outside.
crane operator
Senior Member
West side wall panels. 
crane operator
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The back side had scaffold built on it. 2" below the floor where the panel sits, so a 1" on each side between the bar joists overhanging on the top, and the top of the scaffold poles on the lower floor. It was a pain.
crane operator
Senior Member
They forgot to make one of the panels, so I'll get to go back monday afternoon after they build and ship out the one they missed.
Nige
Senior Member
Whaddya mean total loss..? It's still got four good wheels & tyres on it, even if the rest is junk....
crane operator
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Whaddya mean total loss..? It's still got four good wheels & tyres on it, even if the rest is junk....
Like you would save those tires. Smuggle them home in your suitcase?
I felt kind of bad, I think they were hoping I would just swing by with the crane, pick up the whole lift and plant it on its wheels and everything would be fine.
I was there at the same time the rental house owner of the lift showed up. He and I pretty much agreed it would be a total write off and the contractor should have called his insurance man 5 hours before, to go ahead and get the paperwork started. Rental house man said 3 year old machine, and over six figures for replacement. And we wonder why insurance is expensive.
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Glad the rental house guy agreed on the write off. If they tried to put it back in service and down the road there was an accident and a lawyer learned of this one I don't think that rental place would be around much longer!
hosspuller
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Looks like they're building an oven. Don't see much ventilation. Those transformers put off a bunch of heat. Note the radiator fins on them. You're gonna have some fun sooner than later. Heat kills transformers.
crane operator
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The mason's were snapping chalk lines for the other two walls. Looked like it was going to be about 3' off the cabinet doors (probably so close that you can't walk around the door if its open- its that kind of a set up
). So it will have block walls all the way around (4 walls), concrete ceiling and floor, no ventilation.
The power company went round and round with the building designers that it was a bad idea, and finally just threw their hands up and told them to do what they wanted, power company washed their hands of it. Hospital owns the transformers and its going to be really expensive to pull them in and out. Probably have to shore the ceiling/ build a a-frame/ gantry just to get them off the floor, and then its going to be a slow process to skate them out. And who knows how much other equipment is going to be in the way.
This is basically going to be a new mechanical / boiler building for the whole facility, when its up and running. They are going to tear out the other three mechanical buildings that are scattered around the property, once the new building is online.
Birken Vogt
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What collateral damage will there be if one of these tx fails explosively with lots of sparks and fire and flaming oil?
crane operator
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Don't go and get all common sensey about stuff like that birken. THESE particular transformers will never fail, or get overloaded by lightning and blast like bright lights on the horizon, meanwhile taking out the other transformer right beside it too. I do think they no longer have the really nasty PCB's that they used to have in transformers, so at least it won't be hazmat.
You want to get all realistic about things, right now they have multiple systems scattered throughout the facility, and if any part goes down, they can kind of reroute things around. Now, they are replacing all that stuff, in one single building and one single system, soooooo, if it happens to go down, the whole facility goes down. How's that for a reliable, redundancy built in, system. Nothing like having all your apples in one basket.
Tags
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Classic case of the engineers and architects knowing better than us common folk..."if I can draw it, you can build it!!" Thanks guys, we are all aware your designs ar perfect and WE are the ones that didn't build it correctly....
hosspuller
Senior Member
And we wonder why the cost of healthcare is so high. Or the building designers along with the project managers have really good liability insurance. Too bad someone is going to die because of the power interruption when the trans blows.
I'll wager the designers will be long gone when the problem happens. Just like the public leaders giving away unsustainable pensions & goodies. They're long gone when the bills come due.
I was in a forum with the designers of a FEDEX sorting facility. Their design was all about redundancy. Example. The building lighting was divided into multiple circuits. (nothing unusual) BUT... The individual fixtures were then alternated between the circuits. Lose one circuit, just lose every other light. Same with conveyors and equipment... multiples of back-ups. Fedex's product was reliable delivery service.
I'll wager the designers will be long gone when the problem happens. Just like the public leaders giving away unsustainable pensions & goodies. They're long gone when the bills come due.
I was in a forum with the designers of a FEDEX sorting facility. Their design was all about redundancy. Example. The building lighting was divided into multiple circuits. (nothing unusual) BUT... The individual fixtures were then alternated between the circuits. Lose one circuit, just lose every other light. Same with conveyors and equipment... multiples of back-ups. Fedex's product was reliable delivery service.
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
I love these kinds of designs. Problem is, none of my customers want to pay for them.
kenh
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Do they have Gensets for emergency's?
BUT since this is the perfect layout/system no need for them!
BUT since this is the perfect layout/system no need for them!
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
I'm sure they do have gensets but hospital generators are notorious for failing to perform as expected because it is so difficult to test them in real world conditions.
crane operator
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Yes, we are putting in new generators also. Of course, they are putting them so far from any road access, I have to bring in a 300 ton crane to set them. AND, that access is coming out when the building is done. Who knows how they will eventually get changed. I did make a case early on, they wanted to put in one huge generator. I said "what if it doesn't start?"
I pushed hard for 2 slightly smaller generators, and evidently someone else heard the plea and took up the charge, because they got two generators. But the other three/ four existing generators on site, I'm sure are coming out. I would leave them there for redundancy, but they want everything consolidated.
I pushed hard for 2 slightly smaller generators, and evidently someone else heard the plea and took up the charge, because they got two generators. But the other three/ four existing generators on site, I'm sure are coming out. I would leave them there for redundancy, but they want everything consolidated.