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A few projects I have done recently

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I forgot, any new site work on an existing developed site will eliminate any grandfathering. Right now a property owner can request a variance from the current regs. Most are granted if a documented attempt is made to reduce / retain the runoff. Our city engineer (I'm on the planning commission) has been sounding the warning for several years but to pretty much deaf ears. There will be vacant parcels that an owner won't be able to do anything except farm. That bring up another rediculous situation. The owner can farm, disc up the topsoil / clay to raw ground and plant corn. The runoff from the raw farm field is far greater and far quicker than a developed, engineered runoff system and that can happen every year.
 

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Around here its detention tanks under ground big 12 foot diameter pipe with ends and they are tied into dry wells most any place cannot release water onto a street so it has to get contained

So there are a lot of dry weels around here
 

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Just curious AZ what is the average rainfall in your area?

Here it's around 5' per year.
 

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10 to 12 inches on a rare year its 14 but we can get 7 of those inches in January and February like this year and we have not hardly seen any where in the valley over an inch of accumulated since March

Usually we toad drowners its half to three quarters inch in under 30 minutes the ground gets so dry it wont take water till it sucks in and opens up hence the dry wells
 

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Just curious AZ what is the average rainfall in your area?

Here it's around 5' per year.
How much rain have you got this year CM? I'm at 69.77" since I installed this weather station last August and I know it missed a significant amount of blowing snow. Average year is somewhere around 44".
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This is what happened to the Wakarusa after 10.25" in 12 hours(Wednesday night/Thursday morning). 300' of bank slid into the river and made the flooding even worse. Took this picture Friday afternoon after the river had come down enough I was pretty sure the bridge wasn't going to float away.
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Back at the Red auto parts store running sanitary sewer. It was a tight fit as the SS line ran between the entrance and the Storm Tech system we already installed and backfilled. Zero swing hoes earn their keep!:D

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We had enough room to bench the trench back so we didn't need a trench box. 6" high pressure gas line was close to the SS main as seen in the pic. Ran the 4" PVC with the standard slope laser and worked like a charm.
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Once inspection was passed backfilling the line so the concrete guys can pour the parking spaces the next day - nothing like rush, rush retail projects...:cool:

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LoL, right across the street from "NAPA Know How". Good old Alabama red clay. And yes, zero tail swing excavators are amazing, but an absolute PITA for the wrench bender, 10 lbs of crap stuffed into a 5 lb sack. But, it is what it is.
 

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On the SS cleanout risers, are you permitted to attach the vertical riser to the 'Wye and 45' (Comby sometimes) fittings with a rubber hub (ala Fernco)? Have found such a contrivance reduces chance of cracking said Wye due to backfilling loads.
 

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LoL, right across the street from "NAPA Know How". .

HAH- you caught that Willie. We'll probably be building a green one down the street next year..:D

Zero's are a PITA to work on but there are some job sites we couldn't work on with a conventional.


On the SS cleanout risers, are you permitted to attach the vertical riser to the 'Wye and 45' (Comby sometimes) fittings with a rubber hub (ala Fernco)? Have found such a contrivance reduces chance of cracking said Wye due to backfilling loads.

Bob the city wouldn't allow Fernco's. To lessen the chance of the wye cracking/breaking we drove #5 rebar a foot or so in the ground and gorilla taped it to the clean out. Also used solid #57 stone backfill all the way up. As the dirt backfill came up we kept the clean out plumb and backfilled around the CO with stone. Rinse and repeat.
 

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This may be a dumb question since I don’t do commercial work or extensive utility line work like you do, but wouldn’t a trench box have saved you from doing the excess excavation, or is the box just a complete PIA?
 

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Boxes suck for multiple reasons on jobs like that and they are expensive to rent

It's not that much more work to bench a dig like that and it's not very time consuming with a 20 ton hoe it also makes it easier to compact in said lifts in a wide ditch than a narrow one
 

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What he said. And there's no such thing as a stupid question if the question is inquisitive, those questions are how one learns things. :cool:
 

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What he said. And there's no such thing as a stupid question if the question is inquisitive, those questions are how one learns things. :cool:

No doubt - no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid answers..:D

This may be a dumb question since I don’t do commercial work or extensive utility line work like you do, but wouldn’t a trench box have saved you from doing the excess excavation, or is the box just a complete PIA?

Tags, AZ pretty much summed it up. Trench boxes slow down production, if we can slope or bench we don't mess with pulling a box. Usually the deepest excavation is 10-12' max on these jobs. The majority of the time the wet utilities are 4-8' deep which is easy to slope or bench.

Also as AZ mentioned it allows for better compaction since the lifts are wider as you come up, making the fill more cohesive across the lift. Normally we'll run a trench roller to bring the trench up to where we can fit a bigger sheepsfoot roller in, speeds up production. A 953 loader and 84" roller can backfill a lot of trench in a day.
 

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You know the other problem I find with shoring is every superintendents an expert on it just ask them

Benching is king if you have room for it but once you get passed 12 feet it gets a little wide and you can run out of real estate to put dirt especially if your digging tank holes or storm detention

Cm I have never used a trench robot we use a hydralic vibe plate a wheel or build a road and roll it with a backhoe or loader it is surprising what you can get done in a day with just a backhoe on a 10 ft deep sewer line as long as you have a good guy on the hose
 

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Thanks for the insight, I’ve never used a trench box before, nor done the depth or the amount of utility trenching that you do, that’s why I was curious
 

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AZ we love our trench rollers. They are just so handy and can be used for all sorts of tasks. We use them for a lot more than compacting trenches.

Sidewalk and concrete prep, parking lots, inside existing buildings, retainer walls, etc., etc.
 
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