Licenses permits of Operators

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

OK,Here we go. I was talking to a relative this evening and the topic of heavy equipment operators popped into the conversation. Now in the state of New Jersey you are going to have to be licensed to operate any type of equipment over so many pounds. There is a written exam and a practical skills exam. And the state will collect the monies.Also a drug screening is required prior to taking the tests. The equipment or owners of the equipment will not be able to get insurance unless the operators pass the written and practical skills tests.This is what happens when the government steps in. I am able to see there point but some operators may not be able to pass the written exam.Then they can be out of a job.Can you see what I am getting at? It just pisses me off so bad. Now suppose a small man like myself has a small mini excavator, say a John Deere 17. A person says they want some stumps cleared and a drainage ditch cleaned out.Now legally the state can stop him and order him to pay a hefty fine unless he has the certificate and the proof of insurance.OK, I am done rambling. This just pisses me off to know end. Could your state be next? Ken

Mother Deuce · Aug 18, 2019

Already exists in Massachusetts, Rhode Island and I was told two days ago that Connecticut had joined the party also. You also have to have a valid medical card in Mass and Rhode Island and bi annual "continuing education in Mass. It is just the the states following Massachusett's lead to vacuum more dollars from more people.

pp13bnos · Aug 18, 2019

I'm surprised the West coast hasn't followed along too.

Honcho · Aug 18, 2019

You folks really surprise me it was always like that in Russia, first of all one needs a car permit license , and then you go to kinda college where on 4 months course you study the excavator skills, then pass an exam and get your license, and it all gonna cost you aproximatly $ 1000. Do mean that any one who have a car permit was able to operate an excavator in USA it is MOD EDIT

Easy on the language - CM1995

John C. · Aug 18, 2019

Do you have something outside of this forum that I can research to confirm what you are saying? Maybe a news link, a link to a state law or maybe an interview with someone on the news. Right now you are spreading what is known as hearsay. I'll have to see a verifiable fact before I believe something said on a web site about laws and government. I'll be indignant when I see it confirmed.

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

No sir at this time I do not have any information that you requested. I received the information from a family member. Her son is attempting to learn how to operate heavy equipment. These are the hoops that someone has to jump through.

Crane operators in particular need to obtain state licensure. Requirements include certification through the National Commission for the Certification of Crane Operators (NCCCO). Applicants for this credential must be at least 18 years old, comply with the NCCCO's ethics code and substance abuse policy, successfully complete a series of written and practical exams and meet a series of physical requirements.

https://totalequipmenttraining.com/practice-tests/nccco-practice-test/

Bls repair · Aug 18, 2019

I’ve been a union operator for 42 years in NJ.and haven’t heard anything about a license except for cranes

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

Bls repair said:
I’ve been a union operator for 42 years in NJ.and haven’t heard anything about a license except for cranes

Well sir, you may have been grandfathered in.Read the second post in this thread.My nephew is now going to school for heavy equipment operator.The students are told that they will have to have a license to operate heavy equipment.The students must take a written exam and a particle to get the license from the state. No license, then no job.The applicant has to pay for the instruction and the state exams.

John C. · Aug 18, 2019

I ran a search for excavator license in the United States and found a bunch of stuff put out by schools in advertising materials but nothing in state laws accept for hoisting operations. Cranes are covered all over the country. Common construction equipment is not found in any search requiring state license. There are schools advertising requirements for using excavators for hoisting. One such school is advertising it here;
https://www.masshoistingconed.com/online-training/class-2-excavating/

I was the president of an advisory committee at a local community college for a couple of years. Part of that involved a state recertification of their program. What I found out was that the faculty would regularly promote self serving half truths and outright lies about the requirements of the industry. The aim was to keep paying students in their classes as long as possible. That is one of the reasons I'm asking for something tangible to decide my level of anger at possible government encroachment or just another piece of fake news ginned up to incite the general population.

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

John, "What I found out was that the faculty would regularly promote self serving half truths and outright lies about the requirements of the industry. The aim was to keep paying students in their classes as long as possible.
" This sounds like what I was told.Like you I have been searching the web for some sort of concrete evidence that states what I have been told and like you not at all successful. This is simply another lie concocted to strip students of their monies and feather the nests of those further up the chain. Ken

Nige · Aug 18, 2019

So if that is the case why did you initially post giving the impression that the licensing requirement was fact, as opposed to “this is what I’ve heard, has anyone heard the same”..?

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

Nige,would a lack of knowledge on my part satisfy you? BTW smart guy, read post 2.Have a good day sir.

John Canfield · Aug 18, 2019

On a somewhat related but opposite tangent, Texas is dropping the requirement for plumbers to be licensed - I think it's effective Sept 1. I'm a less is more guy in favor of limited government but I completely disagree with this for various reasons.

By the way, call me for your plumbing needs after Sept 1. How about this for my slogan - "if it doesn't leak now, it will when the job is finished."

Nige · Aug 18, 2019

Kenskip1 said:
Nige,would a lack of knowledge on my part satisfy you? BTW smart guy, read post 2.Have a good day sir.

I had already read post #2, however my comment applied to your post, not one from a state at the other side of the country. You were posting as though it was fact and a done deal, not suppostion, when in fact it was anything but. I'm not trying to be smart here, simply mentioning that posting in the way your OP was written doesn't help anyone.

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

Nige said:
I had already read post #2, however my comment applied to your post, not one from a state at the other side of the country. You were posting as though it was fact and a done deal, not suppostion, when in fact it was anything but. I'm not trying to be smart here, simply mentioning that posting in the way your OP was written doesn't help anyone.

Nige, my mistake. I took your reply the wrong way.I am responsible for jumping the gun so to speak. However the family member that I spoke with is generally correct in the statements that I was provided.However it was stated some schools pave the way with outright lies.The untruths were provided to me and consequently passed onto this forum. So, what's it gonna be? Poison, knives,firearms,or the black capsule? BTW where is G.G.G.Enjoy the rest of the weekend, Ken

Kenskip1 · Aug 18, 2019

John Canfield said:
On a somewhat related but opposite tangent, Texas is dropping the requirement for plumbers to be licensed - I think it's effective Sept 1. I'm a less is more guy in favor of limited government but I completely disagree with this for various reasons.

By the way, call me for your plumbing needs after Sept 1. How about this for my slogan - "if it doesn't leak now, it will when the job is finished."

Is this like drilling a hole in the bottom of the boat to let the water out?

AzIron · Aug 18, 2019

I had a guy fresh out of an operator school couldn't touch dirt and wanted a job said he had a license it was printed by the school I laughed asked him to establish grade on a laser he couldn't even understand what I meant sent him on his way

Az requires no license to operate except crane certificates but that's insurance not state
Here if your in the employ of a licensed contractor then your a journeyman status under them for what that license covers got to love right to work rules

I see operator schools doing more damage to potential operators than anything productive terrible habits and bad attitudes they also turn out guys that need there hand held as well as when there is shovel work to make up for there lack of skill they can't do it cause there an operator

Schools have young guys buffalo like college you wont make it without our certification and validation who cares if you understand the job but we can teach you about levers

Ct Farmer · Aug 18, 2019

Just did a quick check on the Connecticut license dept website. Only licenses close are for cranes and whatever they consider "hoisting equipment". Guess that is something that lifts but isn't a crane?

Local paper always likes to list all the new laws and I never saw anything about a general operator license.

One thing for sure is that inthis state if they pass a law to take your money they waste no time getting the program up and running. They are out on vacation now so doubt this is a brand new thing.

Mother Deuce · Aug 18, 2019

John C. said:
Do you have something outside of this forum that I can research to confirm what you are saying? Maybe a news link, a link to a state law or maybe an interview with someone on the news. Right now you are spreading what is known as hearsay. I'll have to see a verifiable fact before I believe something said on a web site about laws and government. I'll be indignant when I see it confirmed.

Look up Massachusetts hoisting license. Enforced by the Massachusetts Department of Public Safety there is a whole slew of laws and fees and fines outlined for your protection LOL. Same thing in Rhode Island. Mass issues a photo license. Rhode Island does not have your photo on it. They have sworn officers that have dedicated vehicles and badges that can and will with out notice come on your site and request your license and medical card. It is going to be a bad day if you don’t have one.

doublewide · Aug 18, 2019

Last I knew in Mass, owner/operators were exempt from hoisting licence.

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