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Local contractors out of hand

old-iron-habit

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It took me some time but I found the Washington State regulations concerning CDL requirements. All the state's regulations can be found on this site;

https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/publications/manuals/fulltext/M30-39/CVG.pdf

  1. To see if you need a Commercial Driver’s License, follow the shaded area in the chart:
Is the manufacturer’s weight rating of your trailer 10,001 pounds or more? YES,
and Is the manufacturer’s weight rating of your combination 26,001 pounds or more?
If so, You need a CDL Class A license

Is the manufacturer’s weight rating of your single vehicle 26,001 pounds or more (includes all buses)? YES, then You need a CDL Class B license

Is your vehicle designed to carry 16 or more persons including the driver? YES, then You need a CDL Class C license

Is your vehicle a public school bus with a GVWR or registered weightunder 26,001 pounds, regardless of passenger capacity? YES, then You need a CDL Class C license

Does your vehicle under 26,001 pounds carry placarded hazardous materials? YES, then
You need a CDL Class C license

If the vehicle you are driving DOES NOT meet any of the above conditions THEN You DO NOT need a CDL license

Website: www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/cdl.html

And throw a extra oxygen tank in the back and slide into a whole new set of rules and requirements.
 

oceanobob

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Today we did a door sticker inspection on a 4 year old GMC 1 ton diesel duallie pickup and the GVWR is 13k.
A notable amount higher than that 11.5 number found in the definition of a pickup.
 

JAKES.

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Last Friday here in N.H. There was a horrible mishap on the road. A dodge 3500 towing an empty tandem axle gooseneck trailer (that looked too big for tow vehicle) driven by a 23 year old with a lot of drug and DUI history(suspicion of DUI 4weeks prior) ;truck trailer swerved into oncoming lane killing 7 motorcyclists! Truck and trailer owned by the transportation company the 23 year old was employed by! WTF how can this happen ?irresponsible for any company to run that truck trailer configuration on public roads and how come a druggie has a CDL and medical card? I am sick of businesses pushing the limits of 1 ton vehichles capacities seen it a lot the past 8years or so.
 

colson04

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Last Friday here in N.H. There was a horrible mishap on the road. A dodge 3500 towing an empty tandem axle gooseneck trailer (that looked too big for tow vehicle) driven by a 23 year old with a lot of drug and DUI history(suspicion of DUI 4weeks prior) ;truck trailer swerved into oncoming lane killing 7 motorcyclists! Truck and trailer owned by the transportation company the 23 year old was employed by! WTF how can this happen ?irresponsible for any company to run that truck trailer configuration on public roads and how come a druggie has a CDL and medical card? I am sick of businesses pushing the limits of 1 ton vehichles capacities seen it a lot the past 8years or so.

Here's one of the articles covering this:

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/ne...XTms5fp93jYK7fuvU9R_lUNZEV-OGNLw111RObbi6lh-I
 

DMiller

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Doubt there was any form of CDL, or Drugs control testing with this guy. First thoughts thru my head was as to that when read the articles. Sad. All too many DOT look around these size machines especially if not Company logo marked.
 

AzIron

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Hot shots seem to push it bad in my opinion a friend of mine right out of high school worked for one briefly it ended when the owner supposedly fixed some trailer breaks that would stick he just disconnected them and sent the guy out on his Mary way almost got him killed

As for cdls I know of at least one guy that drives a dump truck on a questionable license (a few DUI's) I guarantee you there are more people than you think driving without them at all
 

wornout wrench

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Not just the idiots with big trailers.

I had one of our local masonry contractors go screaming past me in his flat deck with the mixer behind him. I'm doing 90 K, that's 55 mph.
When he cuts back in the mixer starts the death wobble, going back and forth, up on one wheel, then the other.

Don't know what one of those mixer weighs in at, for doing mortars or parge coatings and he had water in it, the water was slopping out when it was going up on a single wheel.

At least the dumb a$$ had enough brains to not slam on the brakes like most idiots would do.

He got it back under control and for some unknown reason, slowed right down.

Was he ever lucky it was on a road that was not very busy at the time, if there was any oncoming traffic, it might have been a different story.
 

redneckracin

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I love the diesel pickups that can't handle the appropriate tongue weight so the guys hauling a dozer or backhoe park them over the trailer duals. Real smart junior, real smart.
 

emmett518

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I think the answer is to stay far away from trucks on the highway. Don’t drive next to them, pass safely and quickly, and act as if they have no eyes, no brakes and no driver. There are so many places where trucks could be operating dangerously and you have no way of knowing it.
 

Willie B

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I think the answer is to stay far away from trucks on the highway. Don’t drive next to them, pass safely and quickly, and act as if they have no eyes, no brakes and no driver. There are so many places where trucks could be operating dangerously and you have no way of knowing it.
I find drivers of large trucks to be in most cases courteous, safe drivers. They are subjected to rules far more stringent than drivers of smaller vehicles.
In the last week I've had several close calls with people pulling onto the road in front of me. when there is no where near enough room to stop. Most common is very old people. Pull out in front of me where I have to come down on the brakes hard to avoid running over them, then they drive 10 miles under speed limit!
Another EXTREME hazard is texting. At least once a day somebody crosses into my lane while staring into their lap. They think they are in stealth mode. I assume police investigating an accident will check when the last text was sent.
The people with trucks too small for their load are yet another highway hazard.
 

CM1995

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Willie I couldn't agree more.

Although I am starting to see more steering wheel holders riding 18 wheels instead of professional drivers, old folks and folks of ALL ages texting are far, far more dangerous on the HWY. Texting IMO is the most dangerous hazard on our roadways.
 

skyking1

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My brother in law passed Thursday early AM, I got the call at 5 AM. I had 1 job to do, a little backfill and mobe my 120 back to the shop. I did a little self evaluating and decided to do it.
I turned myself WAY up and headed down there with the empty truck and tilt, a real pain in the ass with overbraking and smoking tires. Jake on, delicate foot and looking way ahead as usual but more. A lady just about blew a light with me about 60' away @35 MPH. I gave her the stern pointed finger. WTF?
Met this wheel holder in an 18 wheeler at a 4 way stop, phone to ear and driving with is elbow. I was too attentive to my own things to blast him with the air horn but I thought of it as it was too late. WTF are these drivers thinking?
Got my dirtwork done, loaded the 2 buckets and hoe pack in the truck, crawled on, and then took it over to an empty lot nearby to chain up in peace. Saw a few more wheel holders with @#%^ phone to ear on the way back to the shop. They make headsets fellas.
 

Don.S

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If you cant drive with one had then you have a problem. I do it all the time when i drink my coffee or shift my gears. The problem with the phone is that you are thinking about the conversation and not about the task at hand. If they want to make rules about no talking on the phone it should be no talking on the phone at all.
 

Willie B

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If you cant drive with one had then you have a problem. I do it all the time when i drink my coffee or shift my gears. The problem with the phone is that you are thinking about the conversation and not about the task at hand. If they want to make rules about no talking on the phone it should be no talking on the phone at all.
Can you text with one hand, without breaking concentration?
 

skyking1

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I go by the rules of the state. If I can answer a call with one finger, that is legal and IMO safe enough. Then my hand is back on the wheel or shifter. I don't initiate calls in the truck for any reason. I installed a radio unit that has all the phone features plus it is my back up camera monitor, and also my dash cam recorder.
If I want to phone I pull over. Seems simple enough and what did we do before the phones anyway? We drove and did not get in any wrecks because of phones or texting.
 

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Seems simple enough and what did we do before the phones anyway? We drove and did not get in any wrecks because of phones or texting.

I remember my father riding around with at first rolls of dimes on the dash, then rolls of quarters. At lunch time you went to the pay phone and made any calls you needed to make. Somehow projects still got built..o_O
 
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