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What brands of elevating scrapers used a Hancock design bowl?

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I've never run one. Would like to. Read over and over how the Hancock bowls load easier and faster. I'm an efficiency fanatic, just connecting the dots.
Just as an example a 623 is 1/3 slower than a 222 on the same dig, haul and dump cycle even with a cushion hitch. 3 things that make the Wabco faster, Hancock bowel design, Allison transmission with VIP and electric elevator. Swapping operators won't make Cats go faster. Same thing when comparing Cat 613, Inter 412 and Wabco 111a. The first 2 had Johnson bowels.
 

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A bit of Australian earthmoving history related to Hancock bowled scrapers 40 years ago. Back in the early '80s when cotton irrigation development was in full swing in Australia, particularly north west NSW, elevating scrapers were king. 222 wabco's, 110-15, 210H Michigans then Clark with odd old C@t J621's floating around. Land levelling the black soil plains for furrow irrigation, 1:1500 down & 1:3000 crossfall (30 metre pegged grid survey, lasers were in their infancy & unreliable) was the general rule of thumb. Water storages (5:1 inside batter, 4metre top & 1 1/2:1 outside batter, 4-5 metres high) were more often built with elevating scrapers as the dirt would finer & compact better than the raw slabs dropped in with open bowlers or dozers.
Machines with the Hancock bowl were the most preferred as the elevator flytes went out nearly to the edge of the bowl, with minimal loss (when working fine dry dirt) whilst travelling to a fill area. They could dump short which was ideal for landlevelling & storage wall work.
Cutting tail water returns (TWR) channels, the Hancock bowl could "dive in" one side (with the aide of a batter tyne on the wheel track) to cut the 1 1/2 batter with ease.
On the major cotton farm development I worked on for nearly 2 years, my boss upgraded his fleet of old Michigan110-15's to 8 new Clark Equipment 110-15B's, with consecuitive #. The main upgrade was a vastly improved elevator frame & top axle. They retained the tried & true loader diff with planitaries, with sprocket to dive the elevator chains. A Sunstrand pump ran hydraulic drive onto the diff. A much better set up than any other elevator drive I've seen since.
Can't locate any photos, my remote hard drive crashed & I'm having trouble finding them on the new one.
 

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Machines with the Hancock bowl were the most preferred as the elevator flytes went out nearly to the edge of the bowl, with minimal loss (when working fine dry dirt) whilst travelling to a fill area.

Years ago an old operator told me that one time he was running a Cat self loader on a sandy job. The mechanic installed some plates inside the elevator somehow, as baffles to keep the sand from running out on the haul road. I wish I had asked him to draw a picture, as I never have come across one with that.
 

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I recall seeing sand baffles in the 333A scraper parts manual. Not sure if I still have one. I think they went in the elevator frame just above the cutting edge.
 

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I recall seeing sand baffles in the 333A scraper parts manual. Not sure if I still have one. I think they went in the elevator frame just above the cutting edge.
The "baffles" I've seen were like a one way door. A piece of 1" shaft welded horizontally with a thick steel plate hanging down, opening inwards while loading but swinging shut once the machine was fully loaded. I think they were on a J621 C@t, early '80's
 

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One thought, when I was replacing the floor skin with bisalloy, on the 101F bowl, was the set up of the single trunion ram which pulled the floor back, then pushed the door forward in one operation. A well thought out bit of engineering.
 

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I recall seeing sand baffles in the 333A scraper parts manual. Not sure if I still have one. I think they went in the elevator frame just above the cutting edge.

The "baffles" I've seen were like a one way door. A piece of 1" shaft welded horizontally with a thick steel plate hanging down, opening inwards while loading but swinging shut once the machine was fully loaded. I think they were on a J621 C@t, early '80's

Thank you both, I have a better idea of how it would work now.
 

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A Holden panel van. Lots of young blokes had them. Similar to a hearse, usually had a stiff in the back.:D
 
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