We are trying to get away from that pool of operators that have zero experience operating graders and other equipment but have gained sonority through the union in a totally different field in the department, ex... a surveyor are popular for getting trained to operate a grader but yet has never sat or had made any effort get in a seat of any piece of heavy equipment the department has though his 20 year career, it would cost $7000 to give that person basic training and would pass but is not grader operator but is now on the list for a position, but remains in the surveyor group because it pays better, also a lot of times when we need a spare these guys that we spent the time and money training them won't come for a day or two for fear of losing overtime, so the guy that does have experience and would have been a good grader operator did not get picked for training because the training class was filled up with these surveyors crossing over for grader training, we now are looking at stricter interviews and changing the way employee's are picked for training not being based on sonority through the union.