S. Madill, Blacksmith, Founded in 1911 in Nanaimo BC

hellclimber745 · Jan 3, 2019

Murk100 said:
1969 Talbot Logging Radonda Bay I have the Madill build list, not sure if this co bought it new. Is it still alive?

Hey murk thanks for the info. Yes it sure is and hopefully if all goes well I’ll be saving it from getting cut up. I would imagine it was the 8th 044 made judging by the serial number? What are the downfalls of the early models? Thanks
Joe

Murk100 · Jan 4, 2019

hellclimber745 said:
Hey murk thanks for the info. Yes it sure is and hopefully if all goes well I’ll be saving it from getting cut up. I would imagine it was the 8th 044 made judging by the serial number? What are the downfalls of the early models? Thanks
Joe

They made 3 GYs without serial# then started with 47001 - 47017 then they went to the 600 series added the first 3 started with 60021. Madill's must have been very busy back then from what a can tell from this list, first 3-47009 1969.... 47010-47014, 1970
15 16 17 1971 1st 600 series 1973
I operated 47002 and 13 or 17 not sure which one and dozens of the 600 series.
These machines are heavy 120 tons probably a bit heavier than the 144 so you need a good road and a cat to pull u up steep hills. Be careful pulling they have short gantries and prone to breaking the guyline. Hard to believe 50 yrs old
Spend some time going back to the start of this forum lots of great Madill oldies in here. Camptramp or Blackprince have posted some great pics of the 1st Madill GY.. Nice to have a bit of time off to play on forums, stay tuned I'm off on a big adventure end of the month.
Happy New Year

hellclimber745 · Jan 4, 2019

Murk100 said:
They made 3 GYs without serial# then started with 47001 - 47017 then they went to the 600 series added the first 3 started with 60021. Madill's must have been very busy back then from what a can tell from this list, first 3-47009 1969.... 47010-47014, 1970
15 16 17 1971 1st 600 series 1973
I operated 47002 and 13 or 17 not sure which one and dozens of the 600 series.
These machines are heavy 120 tons probably a bit heavier than the 144 so you need a good road and a cat to pull u up steep hills. Be careful pulling they have short gantries and prone to breaking the guyline. Hard to believe 50 yrs old
Spend some time going back to the start of this forum lots of great Madill oldies in here. Camptramp or Blackprince have posted some great pics of the 1st Madill GY.. Nice to have a bit of time off to play on forums, stay tuned I'm off on a big adventure end of the month.
Happy New Year

Awesome thank you for the info. Did they lighten them up for the 600 series ? The specs I have seen on them is 192,000 lbs without lines. I am hoping to highway move in two pieces as i have access to a 14 axle lowbed for the carrier and them boom gantry and cab on another bed. I have heard of guys not tieing them back due to their size and weight. Is this true ?

Murk100 · Jan 4, 2019

hellclimber745 said:
Awesome thank you for the info. Did they lighten them up for the 600 series ? The specs I have seen on them is 192,000 lbs without lines. I am hoping to highway move in two pieces as i have access to a 14 axle lowbed for the carrier and them boom gantry and cab on another bed. I have heard of guys not tieing them back due to their size and weight. Is this true ?

I've seen pictures of them moved on the HI way and they have separated the house from the carrier so 3 beds. I think height might be the problem.
Yes you can yard without the guyline within reason... but if your hooked up to big wood yarding straight up you'll want a guyline and with the 24in pads they tend to pound the road out.
That 192 sounds light to me... I have the bible for the 47000 I'll look might have something.
Nice to here about this machine wasn't sure if any of the originals were left.

Just looked 13'4 high without cab 14' 2 wide carrier 21' long, overall length with house 23' 10
No weights.
post pics please

Plebeian · Jan 4, 2019

The 044 would almost make for a tourist stop like the old gold dredge. http://golddredge8.com/
The old madill promo vid with the 044 part. Is there some big timber still left in your part of the world HellClimber 745?

hellclimber745 · Jan 4, 2019

From what I have found out all the dimensions were fine with cab off it was just the weight being the issue. Be expensive to move as it will require two pilot cars and that many axles isn’t cheap but for the price of the machine it makes sense to go this route. I will get some pictures when I go to look at it in the next couple of weeks. Had to figure out the moving of it before I went to see it.

There’s not so much big timber it’s just getting into a lot of bunched wood with cable assist. We do about 80% downhill and don’t ever see anything (so far) over 1000ft so I’m hoping if I don’t have to tie it back and am in bunches then it will more then make up for it in the cost of moving the monster.

wornout wrench · Jan 4, 2019

I had to break down an 044 for a hiway move one time.

Cab, boom,gantry and tracks went on one trailer
Carbody without tracks on one lowbed
House without lines and cab on the third bed, weighed the axles and had to move the house to get the axle weights right.
This machine had a cab riser so might have been why the cab came off
and I can't remember how many axles the bed had but definitely not 14.

We also used 2 cranes for the pick, made it easier.

Have fun with the rotex bolts, I know I did

donkey doctor · Jan 4, 2019

I've moved lots of them on the road and we always split them. Not a very big job. You can take the nuts off all but about 3 or 4 of the slewing rlng to upperworks bolts by rotating the house. leave the 3 or 4 at the front of the upperworks over the door into the undercarrige. A few hoses (all air) to take off the roto union. Take the chain off the shear coupling but leave the coupling on top of the angle drive. Of course the boom, gantry and cab are off first. 2 cranes, heavy slings on the boom pins and rear gantry pins. Charge the maxies, pop the last nuts off and lift the house. Pull the carrier out with whatever you have ( we have even used the lowbed tractor a few times) and Bobs your uncle. Back the lowbed under and set it down (remove some planks from the lowbed first to let the downdrive shaft hang below the deck.) No blocking needed under back end. 12x12 one each corner for the front. Good luck whatever way you go. Be safe! Regards d.d.

donkey doctor · Jan 4, 2019

wornout wrench said:
I had to break down an 044 for a hiway move one time.

Cab, boom,gantry and tracks went on one trailer
Carbody without tracks on one lowbed
House without lines and cab on the third bed, weighed the axles and had to move the house to get the axle weights right.
This machine had a cab riser so might have been why the cab came off
and I can't remember how many axles the bed had but definitely not 14.

We also used 2 cranes for the pick, made it easier.

Have fun with the rotex bolts, I know I did

Can't remember the torque on the slewing ring bolts but they are tight for sure. We hammered them up with a 1 inch gun then torqued them with double back to back torque multipliers. A good 1 inch gun with lots of air always got them off. Don't remember having to remove tracks but I guess it depends on trucks available, road restrictions etc. I was just lucky I guess. Regards d.d.

Murk100 · Jan 4, 2019

hellclimber745 said:
From what I have found out all the dimensions were fine with cab off it was just the weight being the issue. Be expensive to move as it will require two pilot cars and that many axles isn’t cheap but for the price of the machine it makes sense to go this route. I will get some pictures when I go to look at it in the next couple of weeks. Had to figure out the moving of it before I went to see it.

There’s not so much big timber it’s just getting into a lot of bunched wood with cable assist. We do about 80% downhill and don’t ever see anything (so far) over 1000ft so I’m hoping if I don’t have to tie it back and am in bunches then it will more then make up for it in the cost of moving the monster.

Page 27 of this thread I posted pictures of an 044 on BC ferries. 3 beds

hellclimber745 · Jan 4, 2019

Murk100 said:
Page 27 of this thread I posted pictures of an 044 on BC ferries. 3 beds

Thanks for all the info guys. I did see those pictures murk. The only reason I could get away with it in two pieces is I live in southeastern bc and there are 5 coal mines In the valley and they are constantly hauling huge pieces of iron down the highway because there is a heavy haul corridor. You see complete haul truck boxes and complete d11 dozers without the blade on getting moved down the highway. I know I will have to split it sometimes but I’m hoping more often then not that in the valley I won’t have to.

Donkeydoctor on average how long would it take to split it ? Also with the cab off is it still moveable or no? Thanks again guys for all the information keep it coming

wornout wrench · Jan 4, 2019

donkey doctor said:
Can't remember the torque on the slewing ring bolts but they are tight for sure. We hammered them up with a 1 inch gun then torqued them with double back to back torque multipliers. A good 1 inch gun with lots of air always got them off. Don't remember having to remove tracks but I guess it depends on trucks available, road restrictions etc. I was just lucky I guess. Regards d.d.

DD, I figured that you would pop up on this thread.

If I remember rightly the bolts were 1200 foot pounds.

My memory is kicking back in, we had to take the tracks off because there was a road restriction in place.

And the method that you quoted was pretty much how we did it too. Really not a bad job.

wornout wrench · Jan 4, 2019

Murk100 said:
Page 27 of this thread I posted pictures of an 044 on BC ferries. 3 beds

Well imagine that, this is the machine that I took apart.
Small world.

donkey doctor · Jan 5, 2019

Just got back from the monthly Madill retirees breakfast. Ran the job time question by one of my coworkers (who has probably done at least as many as I have) with the perameters of ---cab off, boom and gantry off, proper straps with eyes big enough for pins and an impact c/w enough air to run it. I was thinking 2 to 3 hours and he said 2 so I guess he works faster than I do. That"s for 2 guys. If you have to break the bolts by hand all bets are off cause they are or should be very tight. Forgot to ask about the torque number but I think you'r right w.w. I think we used to set the 1/2 inch torque wrench at 80# x 4 to 1 multiplier x 4 to 1 multiplier or 16 to1 is 1280 which was close enough for us. Yes it is movable with the cab off. Whistle hose needs plug, whistle wire off, wiper hose off and if it has gauge panels up the corners of the cab just drop them complete. You can even run it split if you cap the fitting on the sides or the roto union. Should cap them anyway to keep the dirt out hanging under the lowbed. Forgot yesterday to unbolt the roto union stabilizer,6 bolts and leave it in the carrier. Also get some air lines on the maxies before the hatch is under the engine and you can't get in the rear compartment. Or you can tie into the hosing you take off the roto union. W.W feel free to jump in and help me out here. I've been retired for 18 years and it's a lot more than that since I did an 044 so it takes a little head scratching to remember all the little things that were second nature when we were doing several a month. Good luck and be safe. Regards d.d.

Blk prince · Jan 5, 2019

donkey doctor said:
Just got back from the monthly Madill retirees breakfast. Ran the job time question by one of my coworkers (who has probably done at least as many as I have) with the perameters of ---cab off, boom and gantry off, proper straps with eyes big enough for pins and an impact c/w enough air to run it. I was thinking 2 to 3 hours and he said 2 so I guess he works faster than I do. That"s for 2 guys. If you have to break the bolts by hand all bets are off cause they are or should be very tight. Forgot to ask about the torque number but I think you'r right w.w. I think we used to set the 1/2 inch torque wrench at 80# x 4 to 1 multiplier x 4 to 1 multiplier or 16 to1 is 1280 which was close enough for us. Yes it is movable with the cab off. Whistle hose needs plug, whistle wire off, wiper hose off and if it has gauge panels up the corners of the cab just drop them complete. You can even run it split if you cap the fitting on the sides or the roto union. Should cap them anyway to keep the dirt out hanging under the lowbed. Forgot yesterday to unbolt the roto union stabilizer,6 bolts and leave it in the carrier. Also get some air lines on the maxies before the hatch is under the engine and you can't get in the rear compartment. Or you can tie into the hosing you take off the roto union. W.W feel free to jump in and help me out here. I've been retired for 18 years and it's a lot more than that since I did an 044 so it takes a little head scratching to remember all the little things that were second nature when we were doing several a month. Good luck and be safe. Regards d.d.

Perhaps there are 2 knowledgeable fellows who might run to SE BC to supervise the tear down Bp

donkey doctor · Jan 5, 2019

Like you BP I'm an islander born and bred. Spent 1 winter in Merritt early in my career and couldn't get back to the island fast enough. Got to admit I would be temped but only to advise. Best of the new year to all. Hope all are safe and prosperous in 2019 Regards d.d.

wornout wrench · Jan 5, 2019

donkey doctor said:
Just got back from the monthly Madill retirees breakfast. Ran the job time question by one of my coworkers (who has probably done at least as many as I have) with the perameters of ---cab off, boom and gantry off, proper straps with eyes big enough for pins and an impact c/w enough air to run it. I was thinking 2 to 3 hours and he said 2 so I guess he works faster than I do. That"s for 2 guys. If you have to break the bolts by hand all bets are off cause they are or should be very tight. Forgot to ask about the torque number but I think you'r right w.w. I think we used to set the 1/2 inch torque wrench at 80# x 4 to 1 multiplier x 4 to 1 multiplier or 16 to1 is 1280 which was close enough for us. Yes it is movable with the cab off. Whistle hose needs plug, whistle wire off, wiper hose off and if it has gauge panels up the corners of the cab just drop them complete. You can even run it split if you cap the fitting on the sides or the roto union. Should cap them anyway to keep the dirt out hanging under the lowbed. Forgot yesterday to unbolt the roto union stabilizer,6 bolts and leave it in the carrier. Also get some air lines on the maxies before the hatch is under the engine and you can't get in the rear compartment. Or you can tie into the hosing you take off the roto union. W.W feel free to jump in and help me out here. I've been retired for 18 years and it's a lot more than that since I did an 044 so it takes a little head scratching to remember all the little things that were second nature when we were doing several a month. Good luck and be safe. Regards d.d.

Oh man, I might only be retired for a few months but it has also been a few years for me since the last 044 I worked on. I'll try to rattle my brain around a bit and see if I can remember anything else.

Honestly, the last of my yarder work was mostly on 7280's and 124's with a bit of 6280 just to mix it up a bit.

Right now, trying to remember things on 044's my brain sounds like the little marble inside of a spray can when you shake it.

wornout wrench · Jan 5, 2019

donkey doctor said:
Like you BP I'm an islander born and bred. Spent 1 winter in Merritt early in my career and couldn't get back to the island fast enough. Got to admit I would be temped but only to advise. Best of the new year to all. Hope all are safe and prosperous in 2019 Regards d.d.

I'm with you there DD
Island boy through and through
Don't like the cold anymore, never liked it much to start off with

Tacodriver · Jan 6, 2019

hellclimber745 said:
From what I have found out all the dimensions were fine with cab off it was just the weight being the issue. Be expensive to move as it will require two pilot cars and that many axles isn’t cheap but for the price of the machine it makes sense to go this route. I will get some pictures when I go to look at it in the next couple of weeks. Had to figure out the moving of it before I went to see it.

There’s not so much big timber it’s just getting into a lot of bunched wood with cable assist. We do about 80% downhill and don’t ever see anything (so far) over 1000ft so I’m hoping if I don’t have to tie it back and am in bunches then it will more then make up for it in the cost of moving the monster.

Be cool to see one out here, but i think you will run into having to rebuild the all the roads just to walk one of those around. A little 12' wide yarder can make a regular haul road look pretty narrow sometimes.

Murk100 · Jan 6, 2019

Blk prince said:
Perhaps there are 2 knowledgeable fellows who might run to SE BC to just like riding a bike, call me when its all together

Tacodriver said:
Be cool to see one out here, but i think you will run into having to rebuild the all the roads just to walk one of those around. A little 12' wide yarder can make a regular haul road look pretty narrow sometimes.

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