I dont count turns after seal contact ,just good and hand tight . All no problem except for Hitachi 200-5 . Working with rock ,the main engine oil filter will loosen even if fitted by gorillas . I made a wide filter strap with a car seat belt ,keep it flush with the base and squeeze until i feel the filter wall starting to cave . I use nearly all fleetguard for my sins . My fleetguard supplier is too good ,donaldson are pricey and I havent really considered Baldwin . Would they be better than fleetguard ?