DMiller
Senior Member
The Pete I have been running has been a POS for the last four weeks, started throwing code 21 after quite a few derate adventures then flying right and code 55 or NO code stored. Then finally latched up 21 code, generic hi/lo 5v reference. OK all was fine just would have its moments of a little derate then be fine for literally Days. Owner took it into the shop for the code as was getting worse, tried a harness first as the connector ends were corrupting and falling apart, no change, tried a couple 'Known Good ECM' that one still showed the 21 another did not so opted for a processor. Did a set of rear drive brakes, a full lube, rt frt wheel bearings had some play so adjusted and other minor stuff. Go to get the truck code 21 was gone, in its place codes 25 and 46, find out the ECM replacement would NOT pre-program as to a glitch from the old one, at that time the shop found a bad Fuel Temp sensor at ECM and bad Atmospheric Pressure Sensor so swapped those out. Stayed in Derate, finally suggested we take to CAT Columbia MO for program checks and to find TDC the ECM was not doing well to find.
Get to CAT, spend the ENTIRE day floundering with a derated will not ramp up to HP issue where they find a bad Boost sensor on the intake and a bad oil pressure for the ECM off the engine, ordered both, they installed a spare Boost unit off a take out engine until ours would come in. Made mention of the Coolant Sensor showing -40 at full engine temp and fuel pressure being low compared to manual gauge on dash.
So we take the truck, I get two loads, have to run the engine fan in manual off the dash switch to control temp, find that below 160 degrees the codes stay away, above and they are machine gun repetitious with a squealing check engine alarm I can silence by letting off throttle and rehammering the engine.
Gets better, Was told by the independent shop foreman could have a bad set of sensors as seems like a lot going bad at once his recommend replace ALL. Next day as usual crank it for 45 seconds (75 degrees out) to get it to fire then starts as if nothing wrong, first thoughts was ECM could not find or see TDC and been getting long crank warm weather starts, Cam Position sensor is crap. Do a truck inspect all looks good save some spilled lube at the rt frt wheel they adjusted, hub cap still full, cleaned the mess to keep DOT off my a$$ and off to ADM with a 50K load of really dry beans. Get 40+ miles from yard can smell a little gear lube, figure the ooze of rt frt getting on drum, maybe and stinking, get to US 50 and I44 head E, smoke starts as I get to speed, odor is now ripe. Check engine alarm is bugging the crap out of me so I get off at MO100 and stop. Front Diff SMOKING hot, oil is everywhere, sprayed out of vent all over rear brakes, duals, banjo housing and front unit SCREAMING hot. Managed to get into a independent shop, put fans on it, they have to weld a nut to the fill plug to get it out, Meritor 40K RT. Still has oil in it, drain and refill, replace the filter and off to ADM. Got beans off, engine alarms are still driving me nuts, ALL engine parameters normal. Got it to Peterbilt OFallon MO. and stopped!!
Now it gets really interesting;
Shop gets the truck in next morning, calls owner, oil is cooked, and low, needs to have diff pulled, we already knew that. Right side carrier bearing was failed, spun in bore, metal everywhere, dig deeper and right diff side gear in five pieces. I drove it in for 140 miles broken, the mechanic kept telling the Owner No Way.
While this is going on I had called the independent garage, with the failed sensors they changed, the additional failed units coming and the hard start with the -40 engine temp we concurred time to change ALL the Damn sensors. I call CAT, give engine s/n, explain need ALL but atmospheric and ECM fuel temp sensors, any or all seals, any change hardware as to connectors whatever is updated put in a bag. Told had ALL.
Next day go to CAT ON MY OWN TIME, pick up a large bag of stuff, did not sit and inventory as I had never had issues from here prior and these then se in the owners car for the weekend. Owner called Pete, they agreed to install all the sensors with them doing the diff work.
Diff got there yesterday afternoon, NONE of the sensor O-rings were in the bag, nothing I had specified was really in the bag and the Cam position sensor was marked BO not in the bag. Pete had one in stock, had the orings and volunteered them at cost, so today they install the diff, that done start on sensors, Replaced ALL EXCEPT the ones that Looked newer to them. Parts department had a Boost sensor so owner had them install that and they did a test drive. Fuel Pressure was reading low on laptop, 45#, gauge on dash showed 75#, they had issues with fan not starting and that attributed AS WE ALREADY KNEW to the old coolant switch they DID NOT SWAP as appeared newer. Were certain needed a engine fuel pump due to the low numbers but had NOT put a manual ga on it to verify, then explained had the code 21 back and could attribute that to the coolant temp switch they had in hand but did not change!!
Owner was beside himself, did not understand all the run arounds by THREE shops, no one seems to give a flying F__K as to how to fix or what when told to, to install as to parts.
Me I just have to rant as I knew what needed done, had been there to give instruction on what to get done and was also dually ignored. Bad parts people, bad or worse shop management, bad or worse wrench benders dragging out what should have been a cake walk job.
Out of seven sensors, Seven checked BAD with that noted something has to have occurred either the old ECM 5v circuit went hard system voltage or the unit was exposed to a close lightning strike to affect all of these at one time.
ARRRRRGGGGH!!!!!!!!
Get to CAT, spend the ENTIRE day floundering with a derated will not ramp up to HP issue where they find a bad Boost sensor on the intake and a bad oil pressure for the ECM off the engine, ordered both, they installed a spare Boost unit off a take out engine until ours would come in. Made mention of the Coolant Sensor showing -40 at full engine temp and fuel pressure being low compared to manual gauge on dash.
So we take the truck, I get two loads, have to run the engine fan in manual off the dash switch to control temp, find that below 160 degrees the codes stay away, above and they are machine gun repetitious with a squealing check engine alarm I can silence by letting off throttle and rehammering the engine.
Gets better, Was told by the independent shop foreman could have a bad set of sensors as seems like a lot going bad at once his recommend replace ALL. Next day as usual crank it for 45 seconds (75 degrees out) to get it to fire then starts as if nothing wrong, first thoughts was ECM could not find or see TDC and been getting long crank warm weather starts, Cam Position sensor is crap. Do a truck inspect all looks good save some spilled lube at the rt frt wheel they adjusted, hub cap still full, cleaned the mess to keep DOT off my a$$ and off to ADM with a 50K load of really dry beans. Get 40+ miles from yard can smell a little gear lube, figure the ooze of rt frt getting on drum, maybe and stinking, get to US 50 and I44 head E, smoke starts as I get to speed, odor is now ripe. Check engine alarm is bugging the crap out of me so I get off at MO100 and stop. Front Diff SMOKING hot, oil is everywhere, sprayed out of vent all over rear brakes, duals, banjo housing and front unit SCREAMING hot. Managed to get into a independent shop, put fans on it, they have to weld a nut to the fill plug to get it out, Meritor 40K RT. Still has oil in it, drain and refill, replace the filter and off to ADM. Got beans off, engine alarms are still driving me nuts, ALL engine parameters normal. Got it to Peterbilt OFallon MO. and stopped!!
Now it gets really interesting;
Shop gets the truck in next morning, calls owner, oil is cooked, and low, needs to have diff pulled, we already knew that. Right side carrier bearing was failed, spun in bore, metal everywhere, dig deeper and right diff side gear in five pieces. I drove it in for 140 miles broken, the mechanic kept telling the Owner No Way.
While this is going on I had called the independent garage, with the failed sensors they changed, the additional failed units coming and the hard start with the -40 engine temp we concurred time to change ALL the Damn sensors. I call CAT, give engine s/n, explain need ALL but atmospheric and ECM fuel temp sensors, any or all seals, any change hardware as to connectors whatever is updated put in a bag. Told had ALL.
Next day go to CAT ON MY OWN TIME, pick up a large bag of stuff, did not sit and inventory as I had never had issues from here prior and these then se in the owners car for the weekend. Owner called Pete, they agreed to install all the sensors with them doing the diff work.
Diff got there yesterday afternoon, NONE of the sensor O-rings were in the bag, nothing I had specified was really in the bag and the Cam position sensor was marked BO not in the bag. Pete had one in stock, had the orings and volunteered them at cost, so today they install the diff, that done start on sensors, Replaced ALL EXCEPT the ones that Looked newer to them. Parts department had a Boost sensor so owner had them install that and they did a test drive. Fuel Pressure was reading low on laptop, 45#, gauge on dash showed 75#, they had issues with fan not starting and that attributed AS WE ALREADY KNEW to the old coolant switch they DID NOT SWAP as appeared newer. Were certain needed a engine fuel pump due to the low numbers but had NOT put a manual ga on it to verify, then explained had the code 21 back and could attribute that to the coolant temp switch they had in hand but did not change!!
Owner was beside himself, did not understand all the run arounds by THREE shops, no one seems to give a flying F__K as to how to fix or what when told to, to install as to parts.
Me I just have to rant as I knew what needed done, had been there to give instruction on what to get done and was also dually ignored. Bad parts people, bad or worse shop management, bad or worse wrench benders dragging out what should have been a cake walk job.
Out of seven sensors, Seven checked BAD with that noted something has to have occurred either the old ECM 5v circuit went hard system voltage or the unit was exposed to a close lightning strike to affect all of these at one time.
ARRRRRGGGGH!!!!!!!!
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