watglen
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- Apr 3, 2009
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- Dunnville, Ontario, Canada
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- Farmer, drainage and excavating contractor, Farm d
Hey guys. I am new to sandy soil and am having a real problem doing my job.
In the drainage business we dig something called a starter hole. In order to connect a tile pipe to a tile pipe main, we dig a short trench 30" wide, 2-3' deep, and about 10' long. From here we can install a connector into the main, connect a pipe to it, and then backfill. In clay its easy. Figure about 3 minutes per hole for a skilled operator.
In loose water sand its impossible. The two issues are water pouring in at about the 30" depth, undermining the trench walls, and speeding hole collapse.
Tried a bunch of different techniques including 2 excavators to bale and dig together. but nothing works.
By the time you give up, you have a hole as big as a small house, but only 24" deep, filling with water and sand as fast as you can bail it out. Whats really interesting once the hole gets wide, the sides start to sink, and the bottom starts to rise. Without any soiling falling into the hole, it gets shallower. Standing in the hole, you can feel yourself rising. Its wacked. So getting the trench bottom graded right is not going to happen.
I was thinking a trap bucket or a tilt bucket might help. Dig the trench with sloped walls and a narrow bottom.
I would listen to any advice anyone has
Thanks
In the drainage business we dig something called a starter hole. In order to connect a tile pipe to a tile pipe main, we dig a short trench 30" wide, 2-3' deep, and about 10' long. From here we can install a connector into the main, connect a pipe to it, and then backfill. In clay its easy. Figure about 3 minutes per hole for a skilled operator.
In loose water sand its impossible. The two issues are water pouring in at about the 30" depth, undermining the trench walls, and speeding hole collapse.
Tried a bunch of different techniques including 2 excavators to bale and dig together. but nothing works.
By the time you give up, you have a hole as big as a small house, but only 24" deep, filling with water and sand as fast as you can bail it out. Whats really interesting once the hole gets wide, the sides start to sink, and the bottom starts to rise. Without any soiling falling into the hole, it gets shallower. Standing in the hole, you can feel yourself rising. Its wacked. So getting the trench bottom graded right is not going to happen.
I was thinking a trap bucket or a tilt bucket might help. Dig the trench with sloped walls and a narrow bottom.
I would listen to any advice anyone has
Thanks