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D6c cat loss of oil pressure

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mikebramel

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If they charged you $1000 to fix it last time it would be your problem. But for $9500 it's become their problem. $4 and your tractor is close to extortion and attempt to take advantage of the weak. The publicity from this thread is going to cost more than $9500 lol
 
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mikebramel said:
If they charged you $1000 to fix it last time it would be your problem. But for $9500 it's become their problem. $4 and your tractor is close to extortion and attempt to take advantage of the weak. The publicity from this thread is going to cost more than $9500 lol
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I agree with this. That's a lot of money to spend to have the so called experts not be able to figure it out. I don't think Cat corporate would be amused or a judge/arbitrator for that matter.
 
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Ditto above 2 posts.

The exact mechanical problem the judge wouldn't want to know. It's the running up the bill then saying this tractor is now ours is the issue. It's not normal in my experience to run the bill up and then let customer know they no longer own the machine. Diagnosis and estimates of final cost are normally explained in stages to let customer decide whether to proceed. In this case it doesn't appear to have happened.

Early on, the reman was covering some of cost, what happened there?

I can understand some of cats confusion, being in the middle of several peoples work. But as said, they took the job on, it's up to them to find the problem.

Is machine bolted back together and running, have you seen it like this Steve? Or is it in crates, and these figures/we keep machine talk some kind of estimate, or write off speech?
 
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John Shipp just said the big winner here:

"The exact mechanical problem the judge wouldn't want to know. It's the running up the bill then saying this tractor is now ours is the issue. It's not normal in my experience to run the bill up and then let customer know they no longer own the machine. Diagnosis and estimates of final cost are normally explained in stages to let customer decide whether to proceed. In this case it doesn't appear to have happened."
 
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Say what, Cat repairer saying they now own the dozer. Unless they have a legal contract stating that or a court order Steve still has ownership of that machine and should be free to remove it from their premises fixed or not. Anything else is called theft IMHO
 
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Here's where I see the problem. Your expert against Caterpillar . An arbitrator or judge will likely believe Caterpillar over your guy. The other problem is how confusing it'll be to a non mechanic. Was it low oil pressure? Over heating? Did the new gauge fail? Did they install a new gauge? Was it aftermarket parts? Was it the wrong rocker shaft? Was the radiator plugged enough to cause the failure?

Let me ask everyone on here what caused the failure???? I don't think anyone on here really knows. In my opinion I don't think he ever ran it long enough to overheat it with a plugged radiator or low oil pressure.
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oarwhat said:
Here's where I see the problem. Your expert against Caterpillar . An arbitrator or judge will likely believe Caterpillar over your guy. The other problem is how confusing it'll be to a non mechanic. Was it low oil pressure? Over heating? Did the new gauge fail? Did they install a new gauge? Was it aftermarket parts? Was it the wrong rocker shaft? Was the radiator plugged enough to cause the failure?

Let me ask everyone on here what caused the failure???? I don't think anyone on here really knows. In my opinion I don't think he ever ran it long enough to overheat it with a plugged radiator or low oil pressure.
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I admit. its very confusing. They installed a new heat gauge after finding original gauge not working, cut vacuum line .I didn't run that machine more than very long, maybe an hour and a half .They said that that gauge is not very accurate . The gauge needle was higher than normal ,past the middle range ,but not overheating .I am thinking that the whole problem is associated with the radiator being plugged.
 
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John Shipp said:
Ditto above 2 posts.

The exact mechanical problem the judge wouldn't want to know. It's the running up the bill then saying this tractor is TheyInow ours is the issue. It's not normal in my experience to run the bill up and then let customer know they no longer own the machine. Diagnosis and estimates of final cost are normally explained in stages to let customer decide whether to proceed. In this case it doesn't appear to have happened.

Early on, the reman was covering some of cost, what happened there?

I can understand some of cats confusion, being in the middle of several peoples work. But as said, they took the job on, it's up to them to find the problem.

Is machine bolted back together and running, have you seen it like this Steve? Or is it in crates, and these figures/we keep machine talk some kind of estimate, or write off speech?
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The machine is in their shop ,totally disassembled .Capital covered about 75% of parts cost for the rebuild #1 that Ziegler agreed to install. The warranty covered the quality of the workmanship on the rebuild, not parts. I don't see this as a parts failure, How can parts fail after 1.5 hours of use?Even aftermarket parts ,if you want to use that excuse, will not fail in that short of time period!
 
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oarwhat said:
I reread my post and it sounds like I don't think Caterpillar is at fault. Not at all I just think it's not going to be easy to prove it it an arbitrator or judge.
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the cat dealer was suppose to give back a good running machine, the cat dealer should have tested the new engine long enough to guarantee that, they did not, the machine failed soon after being returned to the OP, so the cat dealer is on the hook for a failed repair no matter what the cause, that is very easy to prove to everyone..
 
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I don't look at this as caterpillar trying to run up the bill, They are offering to buy my machine ,deduct the buyout price of $4,000 from the original bill. That is one option that they gave me. Second option was to put the machine back together, bare bones ,deduct the transport costs,deduct the labor charge but I would still have to pay for parts going in,repairs on the head, gaskets, and radiator inspection and reassemble. That part I can understand as being my responsibility,but still out some money .#3option ist
Hobbytime said:
the cat dealer was suppose to give back a good running machine, the cat dealer should have tested the new engine long enough to guarantee that, they did not, the machine failed soon after being returned to the OP, so the cat dealer is on the hook for a failed repair no matter what the cause, that is very easy to prove to everyone..
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Hobbytime said:
the cat dealer was suppose to give back a good running machine, the cat dealer should have tested the new engine long enough to guarantee that, they did not, the machine failed soon after being returned to the OP, so the cat dealer is on the hook for a failed repair no matter what the cause, that is very easy to prove to everyone..
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Their response to that is,we don't have any way of testing the engine under a load here. I posed that question to them. They did the stall test .ran it outside for a couple of hours, they said ,everything looked fine.
 
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Option #3 was to recore radiator install fees,reconditioned fuel pump, reconditioned camshaft and lifters,new water pump, new cylinder packs, reconditioned head,new bearings, gaskets, transport costs approximately $25,000.
 
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Steve.ahlgren85 said:
I don't look at this as caterpillar trying to run up the bill, They are offering to buy my machine ,deduct the buyout price of $4,000 from the original bill. That is one option that they gave me. Second option was to put the machine back together, bare bones ,deduct the transport costs,deduct the labor charge but I would still have to pay for parts going in,repairs on the head, gaskets, and radiator inspection and reassemble. That part I can understand as being my responsibility,but still out some money .#3option ist


Their response to that is,we don't have any way of testing the engine under a load here. I posed that question to them. They did the stall test .ran it outside for a couple of hours, they said ,everything looked fine.
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bull$hit!!!!!!!!!!!! they send the machine and a guy out back and drive the dam dozer for 5 hours to make sure it runs, whats 5 hours of pay for a helper at a cat dealer maybe a hundred or so bucks??? they are so full of it and you keep eating up what they say..its time for you to put your mad as hell face on and go after them...
 
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That's insane. I'm in the wrong line of work.

A local municipality has a Sterling truck with an L10 Cummins that needs a head gasket. Local shop quoted $20,000 for a complete rebuild.
 
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Steve.ahlgren85 said:
Option #3 was to recore radiator install fees,reconditioned fuel pump, reconditioned camshaft and lifters,new water pump, new cylinder packs, reconditioned head,new bearings, gaskets, transport costs approximately $25,000.
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What??? They want to do all that to an engine that was rebuilt and other than the 10 minute half a$$ed test run they did has less than two hours running time on it???
 
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Good grief Steve !
$35600 total. What dismays me is that Ziegler is saying the radiator needs a re-core job. The service manager really should be in the back lot somewhere power washing equipment instead of running dealership shop.
Wow ! what a bunch of imbeciles.
 
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