Hough60 loader

I found a Hough 60 loader with a cummins engine fro sale about 2 hr drive from home... the guy said it runs good, good tires, but does not have any brakes. I do not know anything about these types loaders or any loader as matter of a fact. I am just a case backhoe operator. But need a big loader to move a lot of rock and dirt.

I was just wondering if parts were hard to find and also he is wanting $4000.00 for it if i go look at it and the loader works mechanically and the engine sounds good & transmission shifts.... well then is the brakes going to be a big problem?

Does any one think that is a good price...I do not know what loaders like this are selling for these days?
Thanks

When you go see it, pop a few pics. and post here. Don't know a thing about them, myself, but others will chime in...

http://www.dozerpartswarehouse.com/page/399875586

Might do a parts inquiry here and see how much is actually available for them. Wheel cylinders may be commercially standard as the master cylinder if hydraulic. Lines can be made or adapted and linings replaced on existing shoes but drums and other parts may be scarce.

Guessing that this would have the air over hydraulic brakes similar to the larger Houghs. No brakes could be any one of a few things.
1 No air, bad compressor
2 Problem with air valves and or tanks
3 Bad master cylinder or wheel cylinders
4 Leaks in lines from master to wheel cylinders
5 Mechanical problem between wheel cylinders and brake shoes, many of that vintage have "wedge brakes" that can be problematic.
6 Brake shoes/linings bad or missing
7 Drums worn beyond limits

Or any combinations of the above or something else altogether!

A lot will have to do with your personal mechanical abilities and the ability to ask questions and follow suggestions. That last part can be a major short coming of too many people!

Air compressor or any air valve problems should not be a big deal to fix, not saying cheap but parts should be easy to find with a little effort.

Problems with the hydraulic side of things might be a little more work to find parts but as DMiller suggests checking with that outfit or others might be a good idea, heck even a NAPA store might be able to match up the rubber bits!

If wedge brakes that outfit might be a good starting place or else find the oldest truck brake shop in the area and the oldest guy there and you might get lucky. Heck I probably tossed out enough parts to do all four wheels over the years.

Not having seen it myself I can't be sure, but would think drums, shoes and linings would be the most expensive but also the least likely to need complete replacement. Again that old guy in the old brake shop is the best place to see about linings.

Just thought of another place you could check with on parts, they don't show Houghs any more on their web site but they were the "go to" place in the northeast "back in the day" for used and aftermarket Hough parts and might still have some or know where to look:
https://www.hrparts.com/

As for price that's a tough one! One thing that I would want to look at is if this is for a single project or something you are going to be wanting to have for years to come. If just for a one time job moving a bunch of material it might be better to spend that $4,000 to either rent a machine or hire someone to do the job.

One could easily spend close to that much more if there is something major wrong with the brakes and once they are working the rest of the machine is, I'm guessing, about 40 years old or more! A single hose failure might might cost $100 for the hose and $40.00 for five gallons of oil, or even more.

I know I'm not really answering your questions but just trying to think up things that only you can really answer. That said I would at the least see how low he will go on the price, you can even print this out to show him on the chance it might help.

Did not remember wedge brakes on one this size but could have had. Larger units had them I DO Remember, worthless assemblies, hard to keep adjusters free enough to auto adjust up.

Need more info. A serial number would be helpful. I don't remember Hough loaders with Cummins engines installed. Komatsu took over the Dresser line which was the old International Hough line around 1993 or 1994. I believe the Cummins engines were starting to be installed at around that time line but could be wrong.

John C. said:

Need more info. A serial number would be helpful. I don't remember Hough loaders with Cummins engines installed. Komatsu took over the Dresser line which was the old International Hough line around 1993 or 1994. I believe the Cummins engines were starting to be installed at around that time line but could be wrong.

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As far as the question about Cummins engines in Houghs I can say that the company I worked for had several of the 100 or 120 Models and all but one or two had the 855 Cummins engines.

Have to say never worked on one of the small, under 100 model numbered machines, well now that I think about it believe we did have one 90, so I was just guessing they may have had the wedge brakes. Spent a good deal of time working on 100's, 120's, 560's and three or four 400's.

Our company did work with Cummins factory on installing the first KT1150 in a 560 Hough. it replaced a tired DT817 IH.

Doubt Komatsu's dealers have much in parts BUT:
http://www.komatsuamerica.com/equipment/wheelloaders/0-175hp/wa200-7
MAY have parts from/for older machines from the interim name and productions changes.

I saw the 1150s installed in the 560 Hough in 1981. I didn't see the small units get Cummins engines until the TD7, 8, and 9H model dozers in the early nineties. There were conversion kits available before that to change the International engine to a Cummins in the G models. I didn't see any of the smaller Hough loaders get them until the Dresser name was attached in the early nineties. I could be wrong about that because I was working for the Komatsu dealer at that time. The Dresser dealer went bankrupt then and the Dresser line ended up with the dealer I was working for.

John C. said:

I saw the 1150s installed in the 560 Hough in 1981. I didn't see the small units get Cummins engines until the TD7, 8, and 9H model dozers in the early nineties. There were conversion kits available before that to change the International engine to a Cummins in the G models. I didn't see any of the smaller Hough loaders get them until the Dresser name was attached in the early nineties. I could be wrong about that because I was working for the Komatsu dealer at that time. The Dresser dealer went bankrupt then and the Dresser line ended up with the dealer I was working for.

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Well some of the first diesels I ever worked on, starting in 1971 at the quarry were Cummins NT-855C 310 horse that were in 90% of the Hough 120C's we had though out the company most of them were late 1960's to mid 1970's machines.

I actually have some of the rough sketches we got from Cummins, had about four factory engineers out for that project, when we repowered our Hough 560 with the KT-1150-C 450 horse engine and the date on one of the memos is May 7, 1975. This was a Hough 560 as it was before the Dresser name was put on them later and I believe they also changed then to 560B's at that time.

kshansen, I'm not contradicting you at all. I'm trying to say that there are lots of different things going on with Hough loaders and a serial number would likely provide a place to start looking up pertinent information.

Here is the Hough H60 loader that I went and looked at...The guy said his grandfather bought it around 1977 but he was not positive about the year (I forgot to look for the tag with serial #) The owner is looking for the title and suppose to let me know. He started it the engine purred like a kitten it has a 6 cylinder Cummins. Drove it forward and reverse and worked the bucket. The old machine picked up a full bucket of gravel and seem to do to okay ... it was a little low on hydraulic fluid, we topped it off and it lifted a lot better. It has a cylinder on the bucket with a small leak. the transmission was also low on the dip stick but this loader been sitting and just moved a few times a year and has I stated in my original post it does not have a sign of brakes,...used mostly for lifting engines out of other equipment at the owners garage. I got him down to $3500.00 with addition $500.00 charge for a delivery fee...$4000.00 Worth it or
not? I don't know... but thinking seriously about buying it, cause i need something to clean out and straighten a creek on my property. Thoughts?

Old V6 Cummins may be a transplant, may be OE. Has notable iron cancer but that is not too much effect on function. Starts and runs, will dig in a creek bed but the brakes may be a healthy expense even at that price, still a good price for a runner. How bad will it hurt you at that price if you have to add another grand or so right off the bat?

Well if you do go for the deal try to post a couple good picture of the brake side of the wheel so we can better know what the brakes are and offer better advice on how to fix.

Do you know one way or the other if it was building air pressure? If no air then no brakes. Assuming it has a standard Cummins air compressor might just need a valve kit in the compressor head to get it working again!

Or possibly with that much rust the supply tank just rusted out.

Who needs brakes? Park the truck uphill from the pile.

d9gdon said:

Who needs brakes? Park the truck uphill from the pile.

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That works until some truck driver pulls up behind you!

DMiller said:

Old V6 Cummins may be a transplant, may be OE. Has notable iron cancer but that is not too much effect on function. Starts and runs, will dig in a creek bed but the brakes may be a healthy expense even at that price, still a good price for a runner. How bad will it hurt you at that price if you have to add another grand or so right off the bat?

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I think at the sale price I should be able to sink up to another 800.00 to 1000.00 into it for brakes even if I just get two wheel brakes i can deal with that. and still have a good piece of equipment for that price. Also I did look at the hour gauge on the loader if it stills works it has 4826 hours on it. This was a one owner machine.

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Well if you do go for the deal try to post a couple good picture of the brake side of the wheel so we can better know what the brakes are and offer better advice on how to fix.

Do you know one way or the other if it was building air pressure? If no air then no brakes. Assuming it has a standard Cummins air compressor might just need a valve kit in the compressor head to get it working again!

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When I tried it out the other day I could here the relief valve on the compressor.... it would release air out every little bit while we were working the loader.

gjmay1964 said:

When I tried it out the other day I could here the relief valve on the compressor.... it would release air out every little bit while we were working the loader.

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I'm wondering if what you were hearing was a safety valve popping off when air pressure got to high?
Could be the air governor or unloader valve in compressor is not working. Any chance you noticed if the air pressure gauge was working? If so what was it reading? Should top out right around 120 PSI if governor and unloaders are up to snuff.

If you do go for it I think we can get the brakes working once we are sure what they are, like I said a couple pictures of the back side of the wheels will answer many questions!