Tires... Single instead of Dual...Hwy Floatations

I've got a blow out while sitting ...( It blew the wet ground away )
These are the tires that were on it when I bought the truck.

I'm wondering about finding "Floatation Tires"
I've driven a few Dump Trucks set up with them... But it was three axle...
Would anything surprise me about doing it to a Single Axle ?
I haul about 6 yds... Or Tow a Tag trailer and 580 Case.

I'm not having much luck finding the type I want...
But I have them in a picture...

Just thought I'd pick yer brain...

I guess I could try to match the good side...


Gotta Fly...
JAM

Super singles are squishy and sidewall roll more than duals, not sure I would use them on a single axle. As to road trucks the Rear axle assembly on the later units is wider to offset the inset from a single wheel as the older wagons did to add stability.

These flotation's,weren't squishy , They were some tough tires.
I put them through a lot.
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Yet that is on a tandem with a little stiffer suspension than the Single that was shown.

Ok , Thanks...

When one is blown, you're stopped. They're spendy too. Different wheels as well. I see them used often, they're almost all gonna be hub pilot wheels. Like DMiller said you'll end up narrow track width wise as well. There aren't many tread options in the 445 series like a truck uses as drives. You could go to 425 like a steer and have a few more regional tread options. The 445 single drives are short too, lower ground clearance as well as a lower overall ratio revs per mile wise. What size are on it now? Budd or hub pilot wheels?

If you do any off road work at all, you won't like "super singles". They are primarily used/designed to save weight in over the road trucks, less weight, more payload. One rim instead of two.

In off road work, the super singles slide on top of mud and snow. A pair of duals will bite in. I have one crane that has 385 all the way around, it came that way. I have the exact same crane with duals on the tandems, and its much better off road.

I've also driven tractor trailer combo's, with super singles on the tractors drives. They are also helpless off road/ construction sites.

https://simpletire.com/sailun-445-65r22.5-1001333-tires

I was thinking about the offset rims also... 2 inch offset was the same outside dimensions of Duals...?
These tire said 17 inch wide.

But I've looked at so many combos... I need to see my tire guy to be sure.

Unless you are almost exclusively putting on road miles they are not worth the investment. Their performance in slippery conditions is extremely underwhelming. what you would save in fuel and weight you will spend in blown rear ends and extra machine time because can't get you're material where it belongs unless it's drier than a popcorn f*rt.

I've had a lot of experience with Floatation tires around excavating...
They wouldn't dig in and sink Like duals...
and they had a better footprint when backing up to a hole to Dump
We had them on our Hopto's and also our Dump trucks...
another bonus.... You can SEE if the tires are low on air...Duals can bite you...
or get a chunk of concrete stuck between them

The only difference here is it's single axle...
But I've heard no comparison with that.

One thing I'm having a problem with is finding a Meaty tire...
i'm not running those hwy tires...I want traction
I'd rather have a dirt tire on the highway , than a hwy tire in the dirt...

Gotta Fly...
JAM

I don't really have a opinion on the tire plan. But I do have a KW W900 and there is a warning label on the frame rail about not to use 2" offset super singles on the drive axles. I have never had them, just something that I noticed. Maybe its hard on hubs? not sure why there is a warning.

I'm not so sure about all the nay saying concerning 445 singles in soft ground. I've seen Advance mixers plow through mud dragging the steps. With that said, they are AWD with flexible frames that follow the ground contours. On a single axle truck I really don't see a benefit to single tires. Bandag makes a good off road tread design for the mud, I can hear the trucks coming in a half mile away.

farmerlund said:

I don't really have a opinion on the tire plan. But I do have a KW W900 and there is a warning label on the frame rail about not to use 2" offset super singles on the drive axles. I have never had them, just something that I noticed. Maybe its hard on hubs? not sure why there is a warning.

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Hmmm, Maybe the Bearings...?
My tire guy had to leave... But I bent his ear ...
I need to see him again to see which way I might go...
Match the other set of duals... Or Floatations...
Gotta Fly...
JAM

PS Nice Stearman...

farmerlund said:

I don't really have a opinion on the tire plan. But I do have a KW W900 and there is a warning label on the frame rail about not to use 2" offset super singles on the drive axles. I have never had them, just something that I noticed. Maybe its hard on hubs? not sure why there is a warning.

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I read a article a while back in a trucking magazine I get, they had lots of bearing issues in fleet trucks that had switched (with certain axles), and many switched back. I think it was a meritor rep in the article. There are new designs of axles to take care of that.

We had 3 truck/trailer combo's that we would use to deliver counterweights (for a crane) at a former place I worked. Two trucks were set up with super singles (saving weight), and one was a tandem. I always took the tandem truck, with the last load of counterweights. The crane's were all terrains, and could walk in about anywhere, but I don't know how many times I had to drop my trailer, re hook to the other two trailers and back them in, and then rehook to mine. The super singles would just slide around and jacknife, but the duals would bite in and you could get the trailer backed in there. Most of the problems were mud/ snow/ frost just leaving (central iowa), so greasy on top, but solid underneath. Usually you don't try to stick a 175ton crane in a true mudhole with no bottom, that's a recipe for disaster.

My crane that I have now, with 385's instead of dual 11r's, has the same issue, if its a little greasy on top, with a slope, you just slide away, where a set of duals will bite in. Where I live now (southern mo) we typically only have a greasy layer of mud on top, with rock below.

Where you're at in minnesota, if you encounter a lot of swampy soft ground (no bottom), a wider tire may perform better, similar to the rice country along the missisippi and the big floats they put on combines instead of duals.


If you want a aggresive tread, you'll find much more in a 425 than in a 445 (as junkyard pointed out). They are used a lot as vocational steer tires.

I talked to the Tire guy today...
He's got some tires to match the other side...
I'll be staying with duals after all.
He taught me a little bit about the tread being open on the side or closed...
Open is a better mudder... Closed for better Hwy travel

Sounds like I can get two new tires mounted for about $600
Otherwise I'm looking at 2K to switch...plus labor & taxes

Gotta Fly...

Just some pictures of the Tires I bought...
The New ones are Open shoulder...
ONE of the other set is closed shoulder.
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Thanks for the help.
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Gotta Fly...
JAM

Those new tires look like a much better dump truck tire. Let us know how they work out! do you have a limited slip?

redneckracin said:

Those new tires look like a much better dump truck tire. Let us know how they work out! do you have a limited slip?

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They are leaving a traction footprint... I imagine they will wear faster...
But I want the traction.
I don't know about the limited slip...I don't think so.
I know if I slip too much in mud I would need to check those axle nuts.
Gotta Fly...