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Tractor pull pan

nowing75

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Not sure if this is the right place but does anyone run a jd 9560 scraper special and a 24 yard pan. Looking at some as there are not many out there to rent. Getting bigger dirt jobs and we don't have a big pan. I have been told that at 5000 hr that you will have drive line issues.

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I don't have any personal experience with the JD. We have a 485 case and two 19 yard icon pans. Look a used rig over for repairs. Ours have a lot of them. Any place that takes grease make sure it does. We had a bunch that didn't and previous owner didn't seem worried about fixing them. They're not terribly manuverable compared to a Cat or similar scraper. We seem to always be chasing a hydraulic leak at a hose or coupler. Had to fix the hitch so look that over as well. Depending on the soil conditions they can chew up tires pretty quick. They ride like $hit, I haven't run ours much but it'll beat you up if the haul road isn't fairly nice. There are places they work great. I would say any ag style tractor in a scraper arrangement is going to be worked pretty hard by 5,000 hours. This summer ours broke a bunch of bolts and the rear end tried to remove itself from the frame. I think some issues come from the weight of the pan on the frame and hitch itself. It's no different than any other machine in general. Those are the areas we've had issues with. Hope that's helpful

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We've been running the JD scraper specials for years, and honestly we rarely keep them past 5,000 hours so I can't say if they will or not. Good preventative maintenance might catch something before it becomes too much of an issue though. the 2412dE bowls are only a few years old, so they might be a little scarce in the rental market. The older 2112E's aren't much smaller and will probably be more prevalent. 20161006_111439.jpg
 

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I don't have any personal experience with the JD. We have a 485 case and two 19 yard icon pans. Look a used rig over for repairs. Ours have a lot of them. Any place that takes grease make sure it does. We had a bunch that didn't and previous owner didn't seem worried about fixing them. They're not terribly manuverable compared to a Cat or similar scraper. We seem to always be chasing a hydraulic leak at a hose or coupler. Had to fix the hitch so look that over as well. Depending on the soil conditions they can chew up tires pretty quick. They ride like $hit, I haven't run ours much but it'll beat you up if the haul road isn't fairly nice. There are places they work great. I would say any ag style tractor in a scraper arrangement is going to be worked pretty hard by 5,000 hours. This summer ours broke a bunch of bolts and the rear end tried to remove itself from the frame. I think some issues come from the weight of the pan on the frame and hitch itself. It's no different than any other machine in general. Those are the areas we've had issues with. Hope that's helpful

Junkyard

I ran a new Case 480? a few years ago. Within within the first 200 hours it blew a main hydraulic line and had all the mounting bolts from the front axle come loose, and it was all down hill from there. I never liked those tractors, they just didn't feel like they were beefed up enough. Deere has flaws too, but they know the game and have taken steps to modify the areas that take the most abuse, like the axles and hitches. They have their problems with the quick connects to the lines too though.
 

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Sounds similar. Our STX 485 HD is supposed to be built for pulling pans. I think the hard pulling associated with pans vs the steady loads of tillage style work could be part of it. We've had issues with the Iveco engine too but I don't think that's necessarily due to our useage. It is easy on fuel, several long days before you have to fuel it. If I was to look at an ag style scraper tractor I'd sure like to see some oil samples and cut some filters open that have some hours on them. Mainly trans as we've had issues with ours. Hasn't failed yet but I get trash in the filter that sure looks like clutch material as well as a chunk of a tooth last oil change. I'd sure want a used machine cheap enough I could work on it and not be in it too deep $$ wise. After wrestling the rear end I sure think it could be done better.

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one think too keep in mind is that there AG tractors are made way different than industrial. they may be good for 5000 h where a real scraper will get 15,000 h if taken care of before major work is needed plus one is made to be rebuilt and the other is not. them wide shallow pans may pull easy but if you got the wrong tip of ground or hard pan it will not cut.
 

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In the not too distant past, the 9000 series JD tractors had serious trans problems when used for pulling pans. Especially double pans. I know a guy who was a territory manager for JD here in Texas. He spent a lot of time dealing with service issues and premature trans. failures on 9000 series tractors used to pull scrapers.
 

nowing75

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Thanks guys for the info,we rented a 9630 I believe a few years ago and we lost most of the gears by the time we returned it,they told us to keep running it. I think the boss got the one we looked at a few weeks ago,about 1500 hours from a dear dealer. The first one had about 1800 hr and the tires were shot,did not price them but figuring $20.000 plus. We currently have a John Deere 8300 with 9000 hours and other than the ecm going bad it has been a great tractor.
 

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Nothing beats the snot out of tractors like pull pans and 1000+ bu grain carts. Every time I drive by this old Steiger with an 3406/Allison in the weeds, i can't help but wonder what it would be like hooked to a set of pans. Would probably be pretty slick on a cart too if it had a pto.
 

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I have a question not to hijack the thread. I'm out here in Texas a little south of Houston visiting my brother I haven't seen any paddle wheel scrapers or regular scrapers like they have in California. All I have seen are pans used either with a wiggle wagon or an ag tractor why is that is it cause of the heavy clay soils or cheaper to run than a conventional scraper
 

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I have a question not to hijack the thread. I'm out here in Texas a little south of Houston visiting my brother I haven't seen any paddle wheel scrapers or regular scrapers like they have in California. All I have seen are pans used either with a wiggle wagon or an ag tractor why is that is it cause of the heavy clay soils or cheaper to run than a conventional scraper

Because in that muck and the annual rainfall around there you'd stay stuck all of the time. It's easy loading stuff so the ag tractors prevail.
 

JimBruce42

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Sounds similar. Our STX 485 HD is supposed to be built for pulling pans. I think the hard pulling associated with pans vs the steady loads of tillage style work could be part of it. We've had issues with the Iveco engine too but I don't think that's necessarily due to our useage. It is easy on fuel, several long days before you have to fuel it. If I was to look at an ag style scraper tractor I'd sure like to see some oil samples and cut some filters open that have some hours on them. Mainly trans as we've had issues with ours. Hasn't failed yet but I get trash in the filter that sure looks like clutch material as well as a chunk of a tooth last oil change. I'd sure want a used machine cheap enough I could work on it and not be in it too deep $$ wise. After wrestling the rear end I sure think it could be done better.

Junkyard

I was wrong, it was a 450 HD. I don't know what I liked less, the tractor or the ashland bowls....
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ShaneK

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Not sure if this is the right place but does anyone run a jd 9560 scraper special and a 24 yard pan. Looking at some as there are not many out there to rent. Getting bigger dirt jobs and we don't have a big pan. I have been told that at 5000 hr that you will have drive line issues.

Jason

If you're looking for some big pans that should be available for rent, I'd suggest checking in with Brandies Machinery. They've been promoting some 28 and 33 cubic yard machines in inventory and could find something productive for your needs.
 

mog5858

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well what little i have had to do with ashland pans was fixing them. the pivot pins where like 1/2 the size of other same sized pans. too me they where for a farmer not for industrial dirt work.
 
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