Which excavators are made by the same people??

heymccall · Feb 19, 2007

New guy here with 2cents. The Link-Belt excavator is a rebadged Case excavator with an exception under the hood. Link-belts are Isuzu driven whereas Case are still Cummins powered

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farm_boy · Feb 19, 2007

heymccall said:
New guy here with 2cents. The Link-Belt excavator is a rebadged Case excavator with an exception under the hood. Link-belts are Isuzu driven whereas Case are still Cummins powered .

Not for long....the new T-III B series Case CX's are now powered by Isuzu!!:eek2 Kinda makes the Case salesman have to talk backwards now since he has been selling the Case engine over the Isuzu in the Link Belts for some time now:falldownlaugh

N.B.CONCRETE · Feb 19, 2007

Man this ought to keep the parts men busy .

Nick Drew · Feb 20, 2007

Hi All,

Here in England you can buy Hyundai Excavators and also a range of Excavators made buy Hyundai but badged by the South African ADT maker Bell, exactly the same machines just with slightly different paint job, not sure how they compare on price??

:notworthy

Nick.

sleded700 · Feb 21, 2007

this is the best list I know of

CAT/ Mitsibush

CASE/LINKBELT/Sumitomo

Hitachi/Deere/Daewoo

Komatsu

Hyundai

Volvo / Samsung

Kobelco/New Holland

as far as Minis go there are a whol lot more out there that are the same
Most excavators use a similar platform, the same pumps, with different engins

biggixxerjim · Feb 21, 2007

I would like to state for the record, and this is not directed at anyone or anything said within this post, that just because something is made in Japan DOES NOT mean that it is the same as the next model built in Japan. It seems everyone that has a vendetta for CAT likes to say.."theyre all made in Japan, all the same machines" This is false and quite ignorant.

Also, to those who believe that Cat or any other "domestic" brand has lost its reliability due to being built in Japan or overseas, get real. If Japanese build their machines anything like their cars, it's only going to help reliability.

Kinda like domestic vs. foreign cars........ Americas got a little ways to go when it comes to competing with Japan. Is anyone wondering why Ford and GM are in such a financial crisis???

hmmmm...........

sleded700 · Feb 21, 2007

me again

as for the machines being made in America or Japan or anywhere else, all the manufactures have quality assurance programs and guidelines to follow. CAT makes machines all over the world and none are better than others. you will however find that some of the brands like Hyundai, volvo, daewoo, kobelco and a few others do not build their machines to the sames specs as everyone else. They fall in the same weight class, but just use a heavier counterweight to achieve the weight. CAT is still #1 worldwide by offering the biiggest dealer network, the largest parts network and by far the best resale value. For all the contractors out there , stick with CAT and support one of your nations best and largest companies. As for the japanese machines yes they are good but lets keep the dollars at home......

lars · Feb 21, 2007

I'll add to this.....

Terex / Doosan Daewoo

JCB

As far as the little guys you got Bobcat, Case, Cat, Coyote, Deere, Daewoo Ditch Witch, Gehl, Hitachi, Hyundai, IHI, JCB, Kobelco, Komatsu, Kubota, Mustang, New Holland, Takeuchi, Terex, Thomas, Vermeer, Volvo, and Yanmar.

In my opinion there are too many guys in the mini business. As companies merge and take or 3rd party manufacturers to create a full line guys are going to be left out. The small companies really start to fall behind when it comes to funding development costs and maintaining a good dealer network. I think the IHI's, Thomas's, and Takeuchi's will have trouble keeping up with Deere, Cat, and the big guys, especially since mini's are more than the novelty they used to be 10 years ago.

As far as New Holland goes, did they even have a big dealer network before the CNH merger? I'm sometimes surprised that CNH tried to push NH construction equipment instead of reverting to an AG brand and going all Case for construction. There are still a lot of costs of keeping the second line - I guess CNH thinks it's worth it. Then again CNH had some troubles merging the two brands.

farm_boy · Feb 21, 2007

lars said:
As far as New Holland goes, did they even have a big dealer network before the CNH merger? I'm sometimes surprised that CNH tried to push NH construction equipment instead of reverting to an AG brand and going all Case for construction.

There was actually quite a large NH Construction dealer network before Fiat bailed Case out (AKA the formation of CNH). The formation of CNH did nothing to the NH dealer network as these were mostly separate owner groups (with a few exceptions.) As far as keeping only Case instead of NH, the NH brand actually had a larger and fuller line of equipment at the time of the merger. New Holland had graders, large dozers, compact excavators, large excavators (45 and 60 tonne), a 6 yd loader, compact loaders, and larger line of telescopic handlers and skid steer loaders. The Case brand has since added almost all of the items mentioned above and many of these have been taken away from the NH brand. :IMO New Holland had a much better product offering before the formation of CNH. If left alone and without the influence of Case management within CNH I believe NH would be a much different company today than what it currently is.

sleded700 · Feb 22, 2007

hey Farmboy

did you used to work for CASE or N/H ?

farm_boy · Feb 22, 2007

I guess you could say that I worked closely with the CNH organization for a while. I'll leave it at that.:cool2

iceberg210 · Jan 22, 2008

sleded700 said:
CAT/ Mitsibush

Hitachi/Deere/Daewoo

Komatsu

Hyundai

Volvo / Samsung

Kobelco/New Holland

Turns out that Daewoo has nothing to do with Deere or Hitachi.

Also add to the list Daewoo/Terex, and Case/Link Belt/Sumitomo. And I think that's about it. Any others?

Another question. More matter of opinion really, if International had survived do you think that it would be producing its own excavators or signing on with some other manufacture, and if so whom?

My bet would be that they would have tried to struggle against the cheaper better Asian imported excavators in the 80's and then hooked up with one of the larger ones like Komatsu, or Kobelco.

Were the last of the Dresser excavators made by someone else?

JCBgm · Jan 22, 2008

A bit late to the party, but JCB is standalone, working from their previous joint venture with Sumitomo.

Although they do source the cab from the same OEM as CAT

Worth noting...Buckets are compatible between JCB, Case, and Link-Belt.

Burnout · Jan 22, 2008

Now this has been a thread worth reading. I have wondered though for some time, why is there such a large difference between the Case and Link Belt excavators? The company I work for has a 2006 LB 210LX which is an amazing little machine. It has earned the nickname of the Ninja compared to our 320C/D's. But when they bought a Case 210 this year I jumped in it for a few hours and it seemed like a complete dog compared to the Link Belt. With the WBM Couplers we have on the machines we were able to switch out the ditching bucket for a 330BL onto the link belt and the little machine handled it nicely... except for the whole balance thing. The Case on the other hand had enough of a time trying to get its 36" digging bucket through the ground much less a larger one.

Just wondering what the major difference would be between the 2 series of machines. I knwo the engines are different, but that should account for so much of a difference.

skata · Jan 23, 2008

JCBgm said:
A bit late to the party, but JCB is standalone, working from their previous joint venture with Sumitomo.

Although they do source the cab from the same OEM as CAT

Worth noting...Buckets are compatible between JCB, Case, and Link-Belt.

but jcb still uses a few japanese components, correct? like motor, wiring/electronics, drive motors, etc?

pwrstroke6john · Jan 23, 2008

I believe all the JCBs have used the perkins diesels, at least the backhoes did, but now they are coming out with there own 4 cylinder diesel.Caterpillar purchased perkins around 2002 i believe.

Sam sung · Jan 23, 2008

Help

Hi everone, I have a 1992 Samsung SE130 LC and I am looking for a Factory Service Manual. I ordered one from Volvo but it was a reprint and completely useless all black and white no color for wiring diagrams etc. which I am mostly interested in,any help would be appreciated. Thanks Dennis

JCBgm · Jan 23, 2008

skata said:
but jcb still uses a few japanese components, correct? like motor, wiring/electronics, drive motors, etc?

JCB's JS excavators are still based on the original Sumitomo design. Components are mostly japanese with global influence.

For example:
Hydraulics components are from Kawasaki, Toshiba, and Kayaba. These are the world's leading suppliers of excavator hydraulic components

Isuzu Engines (same as Link-belt, Hitachi, Kobelco, and some Case)

Burco Undercarriage

I can't recall the cab OEM. They're out of Italy and are the same supplier as CAT

Very few JS components are UK sourced. JCB does build their own cylinders and frames/body work. OE buckets are from Esco or CP.

Countryboy · Jan 23, 2008

Welcome to Heavy Equipment Forums Sam sung! :drinkup

cat300 · Jan 24, 2008

What about takehuchi??? and Yanmar..... i know there smaller sized machines but is takehuci by its self????

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