VPZ
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What is everyone that is running Tier 4 Final equipment using to get the DEF to their equipment? I just started looking at this and can't seem to find anything that would be appealing.
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DEF Solutions?
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Dimonsof
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We had Tier 4 on CAT 725C truck and we have 2 service trucks with Tier 4 (Cummins and Detroit). CAT can sell you DEF, which will obviously be the same you buy anywhere else, just with their CAT sticker.
We simply buying Adblue. We were importing it from Europe (we are in West Africa now), but if you are in US - I'm sure you can source Adblue or alternative product anywhere.
Dima
We simply buying Adblue. We were importing it from Europe (we are in West Africa now), but if you are in US - I'm sure you can source Adblue or alternative product anywhere.
Dima
jprefect
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We just go to the auto parts and get it. But it is cheaper in a drum.
BSAA65LB
Senior Member
Ad Blue (DEF) is available at gas stations, auto parts stores, farm stores, fuel distributors, etc. toes are the most cost effective if you are using a lot of it. The pet packaged jugs available lots of places are nice if you have a single vehicle.....or need some in a hurry.
If you are just getting into AdBlue, be careful of age of the fluid (it degrades), what type of metal you might place it in (it is corrosive with some metals), don't contaminate it with anything, and don't be tempted to use agricultural urea (it doesn't work). Other than that, piece of cake.
Oh one other thing....don't ever put diesel fuel in your AdBlue tank. Bad, expensive things happen quickly......
If you are just getting into AdBlue, be careful of age of the fluid (it degrades), what type of metal you might place it in (it is corrosive with some metals), don't contaminate it with anything, and don't be tempted to use agricultural urea (it doesn't work). Other than that, piece of cake.
Oh one other thing....don't ever put diesel fuel in your AdBlue tank. Bad, expensive things happen quickly......
VPZ
Member
Thanks for the responses guys, I should have been clearer. I meant how are you getting it to the equipment, as in what are you using to transport? I've seen companies coming out with trailers, stationary units, and plastic totes with integrated electric pumps on them. I currently have 3 utility body trucks with 100 gallon transfer tanks and my service truck and I'd like to set them up with a system that doesn't take up an overwhelming amount of bed space. My service truck is thing we currently own using DEF but just trying to think ahead.
grandpa
Senior Member
Just remember,,, that stuff is SUPER corrosive so buy pumps and holding tanks to handle that crap.
d4c24a
Senior Member
Get a clever man with a laptop to disable it , plenty do round these parts
digger doug
Senior Member
Having no prior knowledge on this stuff...I would suggested a double diaphragm pump running off the trucks air compressor.
digger doug
Senior Member
Pretty soon the authorities are gonna want to see receipts for how much DEF you purchased vs how much fuel you bought.
John C.
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Does the stuff come in plastic jugs? How much of it does one have to handle per add cycle? How big is the filler and is it hard to pour into without spillage? Do you have to wear personal protective gear to handle the stuff?
Pretty soon there will be smoke police running around the country looking for tax enhancement and justification of their jobs.
Pretty soon there will be smoke police running around the country looking for tax enhancement and justification of their jobs.
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The only engine I have that uses DEF is my pickup, I just buy it at an auto parts store in cardboard box with plastic jug inside. From what I am hearing it depends on the engine and application as to how much it uses. I have to buy a box of DEF every two months and I drive 25K miles a year.
It's not hard to fill but if you do spill any on metal be sure to wash it off. I don't know if it would eat the paint but I'm not taking any chances. No PPE is required.
John don't give the bureaucrats any ideas.
I am interested to see what type of tank system people are using who have DEF engines in the field. Currently all the iron is Tier II and III and we're nursing those engines to get the most hours out of them.
Shimmy1
Senior Member
http://thundercreek.com/products/def-transport-tote.html
This is what we have. We have been buying the DEF in totes. Last one we paid $2/gallon. Only problem with it is DEF freezes so you need to put the service truck in the shop at night if you're carrying the shuttle around and don't have the heater. They didn't offer the heater when we got ours. We paid $2100 for it.
This is what we have. We have been buying the DEF in totes. Last one we paid $2/gallon. Only problem with it is DEF freezes so you need to put the service truck in the shop at night if you're carrying the shuttle around and don't have the heater. They didn't offer the heater when we got ours. We paid $2100 for it.
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farmerlund
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We use a tank and 12v pump that we got from our JD dealer. around 24-30 gal. It has a nice long hose and automatic nozzle. We buy DEF in 250gal totes from local fuel guy and gravity fill the little tank from it. It help to have a forklift.
We keep the service truck in the shop at night when its below 30F.
I isn't the greatest having the tank in the bed of the service truck but it works ok.
I also keep a water bottle close by to dissolve the dried up crap out of nozzle before using.
I agree the whole thing is a pain in a$$.
We keep the service truck in the shop at night when its below 30F.
I isn't the greatest having the tank in the bed of the service truck but it works ok.
I also keep a water bottle close by to dissolve the dried up crap out of nozzle before using.
I agree the whole thing is a pain in a$$.
Shimmy1
Senior Member
The Thundercreek tote has a water bottle that you store the nozzle in. Another reason to keep it inside at night. The bottle freezes and so does your nozzle. Agree completely it's all a pain in the a$$. BUT, I think I'd rather have DEF on my hoe than that stupid filter. Never fails that it wants to regen about the same time you want to quit for the day. I know it has the pause feature, but I have never used it and have 1400 hours on the machine and haven't had any issues. Hopefully I can say the same when it's time to trade it off.
VPZ
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Gotta love this new stuff. Making something so simple hard. Luckily I have a 50'x100' shop that all 4 trucks stay in every night. I was hoping to find someone making a specific transfer tank for DEF that I could mount on the front side of the 100 gallon tanks I have already. Like move my big tanks a little farther back in the bed so that the steel tank can protect the plastic tank and have a 20-30 gallon tank between the diesel tank and the front wall of the bed. Something that is the same height and width as the standard 100 gallon tank. So then maybe it would only be about a foot or so thick.
caterpillar13
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i think napa sells them and a lot of the farm tractor dealers have them i think or look on line for them. they are white poly tanks with pump and nozzle and they come in different sizes, or you can make one out of a poly chemical tank that come in many sizes , but the pump and fittings have to be stainless.
d4c24a
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not much chance of that here , mate has 5 trucks with it disabled , still pass their Ministry test every year
BSAA65LB
Senior Member
not much chance of that here , mate has 5 trucks with it disabled , still pass their Ministry test every year
Not sure how your mate gets the trucks to pass with the SCR system disabled......probably doesn't matter. I know of other countries in the EU where devices are sold to disable the the system. Seemingly with little to no grief from the "authorities".
In the US, the fine is up to $37,000.00/day per engine for knowingly being in non compliance. For knowingly disabling the system can result in civil and even criminal action against individuals. Our EPA takes protecting the environment VERY seriously.
So while the idea of "disabling" the system sounds swell....lf you are a US user, I would say proceed at your own risk
there are exceptions for vocational truck/off road use!! fire trucks especially have been a issue with it wanting to go into regen while its pumping water to a fire!!! WONT WORK & WILL COST LIVES & PROPERTY LOSS!!! this stuff has to be thought out far in advance & this wasn't!!!!