jimmyjack
Senior Member
you can't compare cat to asv, they both use asv's track system. thats like saying my chevy will out pull your gmc
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bobcat ron
Banned
you can't compare cat to asv, they both use asv's track system. thats like saying my chevy will out pull your gmc
Actually more like full size Chevy to a mid size Chevy, ASV's tracks are matched to the machine, their ground pressure is lower than Cat and their weight distribution is better than Cat, but if you like big cabs and that sexy yellow paint, I still say Cat is better, not by much, but better than ASV.
nedly05
Senior Member
you can't compare cat to asv, they both use asv's track system. thats like saying my chevy will out pull your gmc
I was gonna say that!!
bobcat ron
Banned
I'm still waiting for the dry surface test, pavement pushing contest.
My bet would be that they would both just sit there and go over drive relief.
bobcat ron
Banned
Same here.
But at least one won't be driving away with a trail of hydraulic oil behind.
But at least one won't be driving away with a trail of hydraulic oil behind.
928G Boy
Senior Member
so asv just got pretty much bought out by terex... but cat still owns their little part, I found that interesting.
Actually, CAT won't own a single share when/if the rest of the shareholders agree to the Terex deal. According to Terex's webcast to the analysts, CAT has agreed to sell their entire 23% stake in ASV to Terex, but I also understand that CAT may have inked an extension to the current agreement with ASV to supply them undercarriages.
928G Boy
Senior Member
Thanks for clearing that up. i misunderstood the info posted on the asv website.
I hate Cat/ASV loaders
The Cats and the ASV might be good in snowy conditions , I don't know as we don't get snow around here , as far as in the dirt , they are not good machines , you see very few of them , people that get them learn fast and dump them off , the undercarriage is not up to wet mud and clay , they get clogged up and the stuff dries and locks the machines rollers up , which eats off the rubber coating off the rollers , whicks makes the tracks get loose beyond the max adjustment , which makes the rubber drive lugs start popping off --did you know there is no steel in a CAt or ASV track , it don't even have any reenforcing wires , you can cut the old track off the machine with a new utility knife blade in 5 passes , which saves time changing a track on one , as they are very hard to change tracks on , I think Takeuchi makes the best loader , Bobcat second , every other brand in bewteen and Cat/ASV is last ----just my 2 cents , don't get mad at the player , get mad at the game
The Cats and the ASV might be good in snowy conditions , I don't know as we don't get snow around here , as far as in the dirt , they are not good machines , you see very few of them , people that get them learn fast and dump them off , the undercarriage is not up to wet mud and clay , they get clogged up and the stuff dries and locks the machines rollers up , which eats off the rubber coating off the rollers , whicks makes the tracks get loose beyond the max adjustment , which makes the rubber drive lugs start popping off --did you know there is no steel in a CAt or ASV track , it don't even have any reenforcing wires , you can cut the old track off the machine with a new utility knife blade in 5 passes , which saves time changing a track on one , as they are very hard to change tracks on , I think Takeuchi makes the best loader , Bobcat second , every other brand in bewteen and Cat/ASV is last ----just my 2 cents , don't get mad at the player , get mad at the game
bobcat ron
Banned
Take a look at the new ASV undercarriages, "self cleaning" is the new word, I traded off my T190 for a Cat 247B2 due to the undercarriage being more able to clean itself and therefor the drive motors will last longer.
You have to treat the ASV U/C like a skid steer with rubber tires, you can cut those tires with a knife pretty fast too.
You have to treat the ASV U/C like a skid steer with rubber tires, you can cut those tires with a knife pretty fast too.
I'm aware of quite a few ASV owners (2 RC50, 1 RC60, 2 RC100s) around here that took their machines down to LA after Katrina for cleanup work in some pretty nasty stuff as you could imagine. None of them mentioned anything about undercarriage issues and they were in pretty nasty clay, silt, mud, concrete, debris, etc. Some of them put some significant hours on their machines too.
Most of the machines that were working on clean up were on top of concrete and asphalt streets and side walks with trash all over it , as clean up crews were not allowed to go onto peoples property , in fact the home owners were required to put the guttings of the houses out past the sidewalks as crews couldn't go onto the lawns , the tracks threads were worn out pretty fast as concrete was 90% of what I seen the clean up do , there was a load of dirt on top the streets but not like construction jobs were the soil is natraul and not filled in with sand like the already had home areas are ----- anything north of Lake Ponchartrain is a rainbow of colors of clay which when spun up in the tracks is like a pudding that turns to concrete when dried out , it will stop the rollers cold , and I have seen a few cases where it needs to be pressure washed out to even get some machines to move , like there is a brake problem ----I still say it's a snow mobile and not a mud runner -------no I have never seen the new self cleaning design , got a link ------
bobcat ron
Banned
http://www.asvi.com/pdfs/spec_sheets/pt-80_4-page_spec_sheet.pdf
That's the newer design that's been out on the Cat's since late '07, also not shown (or mentioned on the ASV site) is the optional single level suspension, no bogies on the rollers and 1 extra set per side, the PT80 pictured has the dual level suspended undercarriage.
The idea is that when there is mud and crap on top of the rollers, it just gets expelled PDQ. The older U/C's that ASV bought like the ones on the Cat 267-287B's were the worst, they were the ones that had to be pressure washed out no matter what as there was no where for the caked in mud to get out of.
The difference in the U/C's from Cat and ASV is that Cat has metal rollers with rubber laminated to them and you can clearly see the bolts that hold the rollers on to the spindle and bearing assemblies, ASV seems to use the older style plastic(??) rollers with rubber bonded on the smaller U/C's.
Cat's U/C:
http://cmms.cat.com/cmms/servlet/ca...namicImageServlet?imageid=C186897&imageType=2
That's the newer design that's been out on the Cat's since late '07, also not shown (or mentioned on the ASV site) is the optional single level suspension, no bogies on the rollers and 1 extra set per side, the PT80 pictured has the dual level suspended undercarriage.
The idea is that when there is mud and crap on top of the rollers, it just gets expelled PDQ. The older U/C's that ASV bought like the ones on the Cat 267-287B's were the worst, they were the ones that had to be pressure washed out no matter what as there was no where for the caked in mud to get out of.
The difference in the U/C's from Cat and ASV is that Cat has metal rollers with rubber laminated to them and you can clearly see the bolts that hold the rollers on to the spindle and bearing assemblies, ASV seems to use the older style plastic(??) rollers with rubber bonded on the smaller U/C's.
Cat's U/C:
http://cmms.cat.com/cmms/servlet/ca...namicImageServlet?imageid=C186897&imageType=2
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On the positive first mpression note , it looks like a better design , much simpler and seems it would be easier to work on , looks like it would hold less dirt , have yet to see one in real life as Cat isn't very well represented down here in the tracked loader catagory and besides Home Depots rental department I don't see any ASV's , most first negavtive impression would be limestone , shell or concrete would play hell crunching around between the bottom rollers , I am still not a fan of rubber over steel on a roller ----to me Takechi's bottom roller flanged end riding on the tracks which have steel plates made into them is the best design out there right now , it last ----------Kubota is coming out with thier version of a track loader , I would bet it will be nice everything Kubota makes seems to be well thought out and built ---I think by ASV/CAT changing it up just goes to prove my point that the design they were running wasn't the " ticket to ride "
bobcat ron
Banned
The first time I cleaned out my U/C, it was packed with mud, but only on top of the rail, where the spindles run through, and it only took me 3 minutes with a garden hose to clean it out.
The conventional style CTL U/C that my T190 had, the drive motor would be completely packed and caked with mud and I had to make sure it always stayed clean as well as there was always mud that got packed between the track and the frame of the chassis, now all the mud and dirt gets dropped down and gets expelled faster.
The conventional style CTL U/C that my T190 had, the drive motor would be completely packed and caked with mud and I had to make sure it always stayed clean as well as there was always mud that got packed between the track and the frame of the chassis, now all the mud and dirt gets dropped down and gets expelled faster.
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farm_boy
Senior Member
Asv Sold!!
It appears that Terex has bought ASV for $488M:jawdrop That is over 200% of ASV's 2007 sales:crazy
It looks like Cat will retain the 5 year exclusive agreement to purchase undercarriage from them but will sell their 23% share holding of ASV.
Terex purchases ASV
It appears that Terex has bought ASV for $488M:jawdrop That is over 200% of ASV's 2007 sales:crazy
It looks like Cat will retain the 5 year exclusive agreement to purchase undercarriage from them but will sell their 23% share holding of ASV.
Terex purchases ASV
in our work inviroment, sawdust, mulch and woodchips, the old ASV track style allowd sawdust to pack around everything pushing the track off the rollers, and too they said the ASV had less downforce vs the Deere 332 they bought. That has no problems with anything falling on it or packing anywhere. sawdust piles on the plate covering the idlers but that can be blown off wiht an air hose or brushed off if your out in the back
bobcat ron
Banned
I do some fair amount of work in the manure every now and then, self cleaning is REAL important to me.