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Tank track to be used as Dozer undercarriages

Indy100

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The track system used by most countries is designed for high peed travel and is a live track system. There is at least 2 pins that go all the way through the track block in rubber bushings. The pins are held together by end connectors that also act as the grip/torque area for driving the track. Then another device clamps over the pins in the center of the track with 2 fingers that run in between the support rollers and road wheels called a center guide. A live track system is designed for adequate traction and mobility. A dozer track system is designed for raw tractive power. And tank track isn't cheap. While it can be rebuilt that cost was 28,000 per tank in 96 when I retired. I don't know what the cost was for new track. Now this is for the M1A1 tank. Also they have rubber track pads, 2 per block and they are a high wear item. Tank track is good for about 2500 miles. That's way less than 1500 hours. and at 40 MPH under 800.

It could be done but it wouldn't be economical I don't think. If you think about it for a second, Cat, JD and other manufacturers have access to the tank track design under the freedom of information act. Nothing classified about the track. If it would be more cost effective they would be using it already.

Rick

The flip side of that is that anyone can use caterpillar's high drive sprockett design but no one has. I do think it's a good idea for elevated design ie easier for maintenance and keeps it out of the mud but I'm leaning towards some sort of hybrid track system to enable faster speed travel, nothing as fast as a tank but so that companies would not disable third gear due to excess wear.
 

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....I'm leaning towards some sort of hybrid track system to enable faster speed travel, nothing as fast as a tank but so that companies would not disable third gear due to excess wear.
The reason 3rd gear is disabled is not wear per se but to prevent the tractors from being travelled willy-nilly around the job site as mining operators are wont to do. An old boss of mine always used to say about TTT that "when they're walking they're not working" hence the reason that for anything over 1000m of travel the dozer was put on a lowboy and moved that way. The increase in cubic metres of material moved per hour was nothing short of staggering. If you want a dozer that can be mobile enough to work in multiple locations buy an RTD as opposed to a TTT......
 

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Dozer tracks are designed to handle double the tractors weight. So if a machine weighs 30 tons, the tracks can handle a 60 ton load. You can check this by looking up the pressure on the recoil spring for each track. All that I have had the pleasure of replacing required the weight of the machine for preload before the nut was screwed down on the retaining bolt.

Tank tracks are designed to carry the machines weight and little more. That set up is about what they do with excavators. A recoil spring on an excavator is only pressed to half the weight of the machine.

Tank track is a variation of the flat pad design. Pads are attached to each other, sort of like the old cranes. Dozer track uses a chain link design and the pads are bolted to each link of the chain. I have had the misfortune of working on FMC skidders. There were two type of tracks for them. The tank tracks had open ends and fell apart very quickly when trying to handle the trees we saw in the late sixties and early seventies. The logging tracks were completely closed on the sides. They lasted longer but cost a whole lot more. I remember seeing a bill for one track back then running in at $22,000. There were tricks to working on them and actually they are the lesser of problems. Torsion bars could be replaced weekly and usually exploded inside those tubes under the machine. It could be like sticking your hand into a bucket with 10,000 dull razor blades.
 

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John C. , thanks for the insights about tracks and track chains. The FMC skidders didn't seem effective. They only looked like something 'piggybacked' onto a paid-for existing design; like the yarders on tank chassis.
 

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The FMC skidders would drag in trees real fast. The grapple skidders were probably the fastest I've ever been around. Problem was the cost per unit moved got real expensive when repairs had to be done.
 

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The FMC skidders would drag in trees real fast. The grapple skidders were probably the fastest I've ever been around. Problem was the cost per unit moved got real expensive when repairs had to be done.

Vickers brought out the VR 180 and the VR 140 with tank like tracks, good for towing scoops or pans as they had high speed and a smooth ride but in rocky conditions would be prone to having problems with rocks and timber etc jamming in the tracks. They didn't last long on the market so must have had some short comings.
 

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WEll because this is an industrial robot, apparently it's not a toy and is quite dangerous if it gets out of control. I'm not even allowed to use an ardiuno in it for the brains. If I was ever to sell it I could face liability issues so I'm looking for failsafes and to keep possiblitiy of resale open to perhaps to do another one or say an excavator. There are many out there but not properly thought out. There's a commercial d65 komatsu out there in europe for around 15000 euro but its much smaller and I don't think mine would cost anywhere near there making it perhaps more appealing. There are the purists out there who only want original d11 look but perhaps I can modify mine a bit so as not to take away too much but add some class to it as well and professionalize it, ie monster truck look gravedigger paint job for example. A nice vibrant green paint job for example could be perhaps highly visible as well. Put some rolling curves on her frame like the old 1956 ford f100s, try to get away from the blocky look, among many other ideas.
 
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