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Land clearing - 2,500 acres

Richardjw~

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OK. Have an idea who that was :)

I spent 19 years living and working in the former soviet countries on Ag. technical & dealer support, loved it and can relate to some of the "local" issues especially in the 1990s when they were beginning to embrace technology.
 

Scrub Puller

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Yair . . .

Queenslander. I would not have thought the laidback design would add that much to the cost?

I did a few hours a while on an oldish D6 with a station made knock off of a Homan with a bit more back slope and I was intrigued as to how it lifted and carried.

The boys were talking more back-slope and rams to tilt it forward to drop the load . . . as you point out it would add cost, complexity and probably would not justify the trouble.

Our old straight up and down jobs worked fine and the back-slope and refining is just icing on a pretty well proven cake.

rodtg. We all appreciate the pictures and please keep them and commentary coming if you can spare the time.

Cheers.
 
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rodtg

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No worries Scrub Puller. I just found out earlier on that the next project is bigger than expected with another 750 acres now added to it. So pretty glad I've got a better way forward now. My old man loved the Aussie style rakes when I showed him earlier (we work together these days). He loves a good engineering challenge. Back in the late 1980's he project managed quite an unusual and slightly complex fabrication project. So he'll probably enjoy designing and having the rakes and canopies made up.

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Interesting pics and commentary rodtg! Thanks for sharing and keep it coming.:drinkup

I spent some time in Kenya in the mid nineties, it was an experience to say the least.;)
 

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Yair . . .

rodtg. I built and repaired boats and hovercraft in another life and if you blokes can handle that sort of alloy construction then a stick rake is going to be no bother . . . the only thing a bit special will be the Assab or similar for the tines.

If specialty steels are a problem I have seen a very satisfactory rake on a D7 that utilised sections of D9g cutting edge welded edgewise . . . new edges too, the farmer bought them cheap at auction.

Is there any reasonable sized game left for spit roasts or are little mummut critters and lizards all that's left?

Cheers.
 
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rodtg

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CM1995 - No problem at all. Always glad to share my unusual life experiences with those who appreciate it. I have few friends living in Kenya and they love it there despite its random oddities.

Scrub Puller - Not much big game to be found in West Africa really. When we built the irrigation reservoirs, we did get the odd crocodile. These days its best to avoid the bush meat in West Africa due to Ebola. Safer to stick to the local supermarkets there if you want to stoke up the BBQ.

Well theres no shortage of scrap available in Africa. It's pretty much a dumping ground for the worlds junk machinery, trucks, cars etc. However, it aint cheap. The ports are run by the mafia and clearance charges are extortionate as well as import duty. Rental charges are also steep. If I bought a reasonable old D8H from the US/Europe and sent it there, it would probably pay for itself on my raking job alone. Back in 2011 we were shelling out close on AU$1,300 a day for a D8N that had seen better days.
 

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The project is being funded by some Middle Eastern bank

Yeah rodtg , got that .

I would make a phone call to the investor & ask them how fast they want this done ? Time may not be an issue for them .

If it is .... Send us a chopper with nurse truck to put a quick kill on the undergrowth & trees . Old school Bell 47 would work fine in that country . It's cost effective as it would all happen pretty quick . Hire it out to a contractor that is equipped for it .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHvoNikBo6U

Investors could also take care of any" payoffs" or permits with the ...." Powers at be " .

That's just my take on it as I'm not on site .:)

Cool photos & story rodtg .:thumbsup
 

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td25c - how long do you reckon it would take to do something like that and how much chemical would it roughly take to get the job done?
 

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I would guess it would take a chopper about 5 days to spray 2'500 acres after mobilization .

As for cost & volume I would consult with CPS & contractor .

They would have the juice & ability to put the hurt on that tall bush fast .

Just throwing out ideas Mate . Might be something to look in to ?

Pretty common in my area for farmers & utility / power companies to use chemical solutions to solve the problem of unwanted growth .

http://www.cpsagu.com/
 

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td25c - I appreciate the thought and being able to do something like that in 5 days would be a dream come true.

If it were feasible or not would be the next issue. On our last effort there were settlements within our land and although an agreement had been reached and monies exchanged for these people to re-locate, they never left. We ended up placing an exclusion zone around them and just cleared cultivated around them.

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There were several of these dotted around the land. Another issue would be getting everyone clear for such an operation. Even though the land was leased to us, there were always people wandering around in the bush and I doubt they'd appreciate a shower of a quick kill herbicide. :D
 

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Got it rodtg . Yep , if people are still living on site that would be a big issue with my suggestion .

Cool picture of the thatched hut home site !

After reading widows thread https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?39477-To-dozer-or-not-to-dozer&highlight=

What little research I did on the subject is you are pretty much trying to work with the local population clearing & farming the ground .

Have to try to keep everyone happy so to speak . Some residents either don't understand what's happening or don't agree with it . Either way it's best to leave a buffer zone around the home and farm around it .

Is that pretty close rod ?
 

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wow great pics ! would love to come out and work on stuff like that but all I have is little ol john deere 333d and dump truck lol nothing like u have and yes the food pics look good also lol . now to see if the pay would be worth it to dodge the crocs and lions and such things lol
 

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td25c, a Bell 47 with Trimble GPS, now I have actually seen everything!

rodtg, (sorry about the thread-jack above) you have a remarkable project, please post more pictures, and best wishes to you!
 

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Jim D - No worries, glad you liked the pics.

td25c - the pics I'm posting here was a private project. A London based company had taken a 99 year lease on 6,000+ acres to grow orchard crops to produce bio-diesel. Before the client went belly up for violating investment laws, we'd cleared around 2,500 acres and planted close on 1,000 acres of trees.

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The land was leased through a co-operative. The entire community had a stake in the land and depending on several factors, they would all receive a share of the annual lease price which was paid to their leaders. It was hardly plain sailing though. All the settlements on the land were supposed to relocate. The clients offered an additional payment for them to build new 'huts' elsewhere, offered a tractor and trailer to help move their belongings and also offered to clear and plough the new land where they were supposed to go. They took the money for their new huts and pretty much remained in situ. One of our local collaborators wanted to get the army in to evict them, but we refused to look at that option as it could have created bad press.

Another nuisance was the distribution of money. The tribal leaders were the beneficiaries of the lease payments and had the job of distributing it. I'm fairly certain a large chunk went in their back pockets as numerous villagers complained of getting no money or only part of it. I think they had put the blame on 'the westerners' saying we hand't paid the full amount.

Theft was also another issue. If you've got it, they'll steal it. Once over a 6 week period, we had around 4,000 litres of diesel go missing. As the local police had no vehicles, we had to transport around 80 workers to the local station using tractors and trailers. Sadly, I don't have pics of the occasion. Even our enthusiastic security force couldn't keep a lid on everything.

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Scrub Puller - Roughly what size rake would you be able to fit on an old D9 G/H (385 to 410 FWHP)?
 
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