Some welding help.

SE-Ia Cowman · Aug 6, 2015

Not to sound to gruff here but you stated you are not a welder you have had advice from many experienced welders and fabricators and it is clear you are working with a high carbon steel that will no doubt have to be preheated to 450+ degrees and interpass temperature kept at or above preheat temperature. If you are to poor or to tight to buy a piece of 1018 or 1045 steel that can be welded successfully without special welding processes that you have no understanding of then you have no business welding on something that can get you or someone else hurt or killed. Just because it lifted your test weight once does not mean after the abuse of many lifts it won't fail. That high carbon steel may not show the tell tale signs of cracking you are used to with normal hot or cold drawn steel it will fail all at once. The ping you heard is the internal stress of the steel and weld even if you weld it all the way around it still has internal stress and high carbon steel is very hard not very ductile. You want something that is ductile in this application.

RayF · Aug 7, 2015

Good post! and spot on.

Georgia Iron · Aug 7, 2015

SE-Ia Cowman said:
Not to sound to gruff here but you stated you are not a welder you have had advice from many experienced welders and fabricators and it is clear you are working with a high carbon steel that will no doubt have to be preheated to 450+ degrees and interpass temperature kept at or above preheat temperature. If you are to poor or to tight to buy a piece of 1018 or 1045 steel that can be welded successfully without special welding processes that you have no understanding of then you have no business welding on something that can get you or someone else hurt or killed. Just because it lifted your test weight once does not mean after the abuse of many lifts it won't fail. That high carbon steel may not show the tell tale signs of cracking you are used to with normal hot or cold drawn steel it will fail all at once. The ping you heard is the internal stress of the steel and weld even if you weld it all the way around it still has internal stress and high carbon steel is very hard not very ductile. You want something that is ductile in this application.

Your response is appreciated, and what you stated has already mostly been previously noted. You were gruff, I am not in the welding business but as Henry Ford once stated "The man who thinks he CAN, and the man who thinks he CAN'T are generally right".

Maybe you could have just chimed in with the correct process with out all the other BS.

That fork was subjected to ,twice the weight on just half the forks. The weld was 1/4 of the way done. Laying a bead fat and wide at 190 amps going 360' on the 12" bar stock surely brought the temp to far above 450*.. which is what I did the second go round, along with using a 7018 rod. Once I figured out how to stop the pinging, which was the bar separating from the weld as I welded it. Some were quick to worry about supports, I was looking for why this and that did that.

You know since it takes a special welding process and a individual with High Qualifications and understanding, I must just give up! Same kind of statements the pencil pushers make telling me I need this or that license or some special piece of paper from some other clown in order to do something I want to dam well do my self. I don't need other men laying out rules for how I will conduct myself according to YOUR rules which are based on rules that are for the masses, made by people who don't know how, and dont respect me or you and dont even bother to follow the rules, themselves.

Thanks for the advice.

This load is far above the Cases rated operating load. The back end was floating. Welds still holding.

Delmer · Aug 7, 2015

Georgia Iron said:
I don't need other men laying out rules for how I will conduct myself according to YOUR rules which are based on rules that are for the masses, made by people who don't know how, and dont respect me or you and dont even bother to follow the rules, themselves.

You asked a few questions and got correct answers from a few experts and a bunch more amateurs, what's the problem?

Admittedly, there were different schools of thought, but both main suggestions are completely valid, whether you choose to believe in them or not.

Georgia Iron · Aug 8, 2015

No problem here. The last quote had more to do with life in general and not necessarily his response. I just have had enough of people more specifically the gov, stepping into every corner of my life. Coming up with laws and licensing that are supposedly for "my safety or the good of people", when in reality it has nothing more to do with how much money can we get and how much control can we take from a free people. I read his post late and after 3 brutal days of work off site at a location with no showers, or power, or sleep and bugs thousands of em. Oh and it rained on me for 2 days and I wore wet boots and stuck my TL150. I might have came home cranky and took to his words a little to much. His tone made me feel like I do when I deal with them.

For those that don't know. If you ever decide to switch careers or let's say you want to be like your grand dad and do it all. Maybe he was one of those type guys that could build a house him self from the ground up, by himself. The gov is now putting a stop to that kind of person. Now you need a builders license, a grading card, an electrical license, a hvac license, lead based paint and asbestosis card, a plumbers license, a survey, ground approval for septic, engineered plans, a license to appraise it after your done. A realtor license to sell it and I am sure I have forgotten a few. Then they get to charge you tax on it after you build it. And now you must go to a gov funded school for 4 years to get on of these so called special pieces of paper so that you can apply for "1" type license. Oh they also own all water and now require us to pay them for our health care and in some cases up to 45% taxes and when we die we must give over 1/2 of what we worked our whole life for since they can use it better than our kids can.

So if your the type of person I am, I try to play by the rules and do what's right. I get hammered on everything thing. Do i now need a welders license? Can someone point me to the land of the free please?

kshansen · Aug 8, 2015

Delmer said:
You asked a few questions and got correct answers from a few experts and a bunch more amateurs, what's the problem?

Admittedly, there were different schools of thought, but both main suggestions are completely valid, whether you choose to believe in them or not.

It bothers me when someone asks for advice and then when the advice does not fit with what they wanted to hear they claim the ones giving the said advice are not respecting them!

I have followed this thread from the start and feel everyone has be more than helpful and any criticism was offered with the OP's safety and anyone else around this machine in mind. Not to discourage him from fabricating what he wanted but to assist him in the safe way to accomplish his goals.

monster76 · Aug 8, 2015

http://www.palletforks.com/5-16-att...H16Ag8Q61YKjBPmGOWhQgaAh4y8P8HAQ#.VcXpC5_D_qA

Why not buy something like this? On a note I bought 2 of them at an auction once and i was able to buy them for 60 a piece brandnew

Delmer · Aug 8, 2015

Georgia Iron said:
So if your the type of person I am, I try to play by the rules and do what's right.
...
Can someone point me to the land of the free please?

OK, I gotcha now. I don't worry too much about the "rules" as you listed them. What makes you think your grand dad wasn't supposed to have more licenses than he did?

For the "land of the free", first thought was China, brief laugh, maybe Latin America? Corruption isn't worse or better, just DIFFERENT.

SE-Ia Cowman · Aug 8, 2015

I was gruff because you don't seem seem to be taking any of the advise, I gave my advise from a small business owners standpoint who makes a living repairing other peoples stuff, and the liability that goes along with it, $20 worth of new mild steel would have completely changed my first post. Maybe you should have changed the name of this thread from welding help to welding pictures because it does not look like you used any of the help you got in this thread

kshansen · Aug 8, 2015

Delmer said:
OK, I gotcha now. I don't worry too much about the "rules" as you listed them. What makes you think your grand dad wasn't supposed to have more licenses than he did?

For the "land of the free", first thought was China, brief laugh, maybe Latin America? Corruption isn't worse or better, just DIFFERENT.

I would like to know that my neighbors had approval for septic, don't want my well to be filling up with you know what. If I buy a house hope there is someone who can assure me that I won't get fried when I turn on the light in the bathroom. And I hope that car following my wife or daughter down the road on the interstate has adequate brakes and the driver had shown he knows how to obey the rules of the road.

Ones right to do stupid/dangerous things stop where my safety and that of my loved ones begin! I did not see anyone here saying you should not fabricate this attachment you were making but just trying to point out how using the wrong design, materials or methods could lead to a failure. Usually when someone starts a thread saying 'Some Welding Help" many would jump to the wrong conclusion that the poster was looking for help, not just a pat on the back saying sounds great do what ever the.... you want to do!

fixou812 · Aug 8, 2015

As regulations Grow...Freedom Dies

Georgia Iron said:
No problem here. The last quote had more to do with life in general and not necessarily his response. I just have had enough of people more specifically the gov, stepping into every corner of my life. Coming up with laws and licensing that are supposedly for "my safety or the good of people", when in reality it has nothing more to do with how much money can we get and how much control can we take from a free people. I read his post late and after 3 brutal days of work off site at a location with no showers, or power, or sleep and bugs thousands of em. Oh and it rained on me for 2 days and I wore wet boots and stuck my TL150. I might have came home cranky and took to his words a little to much. His tone made me feel like I do when I deal with them.

For those that don't know. If you ever decide to switch careers or let's say you want to be like your grand dad and do it all. Maybe he was one of those type guys that could build a house him self from the ground up, by himself. The gov is now putting a stop to that kind of person. Now you need a builders license, a grading card, an electrical license, a hvac license, lead based paint and asbestosis card, a plumbers license, a survey, ground approval for septic, engineered plans, a license to appraise it after your done. A realtor license to sell it and I am sure I have forgotten a few. Then they get to charge you tax on it after you build it. And now you must go to a gov funded school for 4 years to get on of these so called special pieces of paper so that you can apply for "1" type license. Oh they also own all water and now require us to pay them for our health care and in some cases up to 45% taxes and when we die we must give over 1/2 of what we worked our whole life for since they can use it better than our kids can.

So if your the type of person I am, I try to play by the rules and do what's right. I get hammered on everything thing. Do i now need a welders license? Can someone point me to the land of the free please?

ol'stonebreaker · Aug 8, 2015

I'll just repeat what I said before, " I wouldn't put much trust in it". The way the weld broke tells me it's very high carbon steel and doesn't take well to being welded.
Mike

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