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Question for the professionals

wornout wrench

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I have a question for the other professional's out there.

Have you ever written a response to a post on the forum, reread it and then deleted it because you really do not want to have your name associated with something that you feel could come back and bite you in the butt?

I have been a heavy equipment mechanic for over 40 years, I love to help people out and now that I am down with my back and not working, I find myself spending way too long on the computer.

I'm not a huge poster, I like to read what everyone else has to say and will throw my 2 cents in on occasion but there have been times when I have written a huge post in reply to a question and then erased it and just gone with a simple "get professional help" kind of an answer or just plain didn't bother.

The ones that just send me over the deep end are the questions about air brakes.

A properly maintained air brake system and a trained driver who UNDERSTANDS how air brakes work and what is required to keep them adjusted and working properly, is a very safe and great system.

When I read a story in the paper about how the brakes failed on a large truck, I just about come unglued. There is no reason for brakes to ever fail on an air equipped truck.

Several years ago there was a post from a fellow that had bought a trailer or something and his brakes were not working properly, sounds like they were just out of adjustment. Several other guys posted some helpful hints on how to adjust brakes. I had this huge post all written up about air brakes, links to manufacture websites, links to gov agencies, all kinds of info.
When I reread everything that I had written up, I deleted it and put in something like "you need to go to a driving school or air brake course" or something like that.

I don't know if there is any kind of a liability factor about what we post here, but I got to thinking that reading stuff on here is not the same as a proper training course. If I post a bunch of information and somebody decides to use it, and something goes wrong.....
The internet is not a hands on training course.
I can explain to you how to adjust your brakes, I can send you to a site that explains about how your bakes work.
But in the end do I want to.

This is just one of many questions posed.

We as forum users are so lucky to have people such as Nige, Cmark, Willie, Lantraxco, Shimmy, Steve (the originator of this site), Tiny and many, many others. The combined knowledge is mind boggling. When these guy talk, I listen. Just the other day, the Thread between Lanway and Nige about a Cat C-9 in high altitude was amazing. I learned a lot.

Now I am not telling people to quit posting or asking questions. Far from it. Bring them on.

I just want you to realize that if you don't get replies right away, it might be because I, and possibly others are thinking about how to word it.

I can give you information about how to do a job, but how you read and interpret it is another thing. I do not want anybody to get hurt using one of my ideas.

When I tell you to beat something with a big hammer, do you have your safety glasses on. If you are using a torch do you have all the proper stuff ready. knowing where a fire extinguisher is before it lights up the machine might seem silly now but when the panic hits...

Proper blocking. Some of the blocking jobs I have seen over the years. Pet Peeve, cinder blocks are not blocking.

The list goes on.

I am not a safety Nazi, far from it. But I do try to do things the safe way so everybody goes home at the end of the day with all of their fingers and toes. One of the worst days of my career was the night I had to phone one of my friends wife and tell her that her husband was in the hospital. That is something I never, ever want to do again.

So as to the title , my question for the other professionals on the forum, do you ever think this way?
 

norite

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You have a good point, but if the experts don't post here, we would just have a lot of uninformed opinion, good or bad as it may be. The experts here, offer a valuable resource and I take my hat off to all of them, hope they continue to post here.
 

cutting edge

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I have a question for the other professional's out there.

Have you ever written a response to a post on the forum, reread it and then deleted it because you really do not want to have your name associated with something that you feel could come back and bite you in the butt?

I have been a heavy equipment mechanic for over 40 years, I love to help people out and now that I am down with my back and not working, I find myself spending way too long on the computer.

I'm not a huge poster, I like to read what everyone else has to say and will throw my 2 cents in on occasion but there have been times when I have written a huge post in reply to a question and then erased it and just gone with a simple "get professional help" kind of an answer or just plain didn't bother.

The ones that just send me over the deep end are the questions about air brakes.

A properly maintained air brake system and a trained driver who UNDERSTANDS how air brakes work and what is required to keep them adjusted and working properly, is a very safe and great system.

When I read a story in the paper about how the brakes failed on a large truck, I just about come unglued. There is no reason for brakes to ever fail on an air equipped truck.

Several years ago there was a post from a fellow that had bought a trailer or something and his brakes were not working properly, sounds like they were just out of adjustment. Several other guys posted some helpful hints on how to adjust brakes. I had this huge post all written up about air brakes, links to manufacture websites, links to gov agencies, all kinds of info.
When I reread everything that I had written up, I deleted it and put in something like "you need to go to a driving school or air brake course" or something like that.

I don't know if there is any kind of a liability factor about what we post here, but I got to thinking that reading stuff on here is not the same as a proper training course. If I post a bunch of information and somebody decides to use it, and something goes wrong.....
The internet is not a hands on training course.
I can explain to you how to adjust your brakes, I can send you to a site that explains about how your bakes work.
But in the end do I want to.

This is just one of many questions posed.

We as forum users are so lucky to have people such as Nige, Cmark, Willie, Lantraxco, Shimmy, Steve (the originator of this site), Tiny and many, many others. The combined knowledge is mind boggling. When these guy talk, I listen. Just the other day, the Thread between Lanway and Nige about a Cat C-9 in high altitude was amazing. I learned a lot.

Now I am not telling people to quit posting or asking questions. Far from it. Bring them on.

I just want you to realize that if you don't get replies right away, it might be because I, and possibly others are thinking about how to word it.

I can give you information about how to do a job, but how you read and interpret it is another thing. I do not want anybody to get hurt using one of my ideas.

When I tell you to beat something with a big hammer, do you have your safety glasses on. If you are using a torch do you have all the proper stuff ready. knowing where a fire extinguisher is before it lights up the machine might seem silly now but when the panic hits...

Proper blocking. Some of the blocking jobs I have seen over the years. Pet Peeve, cinder blocks are not blocking.

The list goes on.

I am not a safety Nazi, far from it. But I do try to do things the safe way so everybody goes home at the end of the day with all of their fingers and toes. One of the worst days of my career was the night I had to phone one of my friends wife and tell her that her husband was in the hospital. That is something I never, ever want to do again.

So as to the title , my question for the other professionals on the forum, do you ever think this way?
Ive often not replied to threads due to professional courtesy in my geographic region, but Have posted responses to thread (see:should i replace this wire rope) purely to elicit discussion (totally enjoy the safety nazi inferences btw)

You can only help folks so much. I find that I must word things so that the subject can either completely understand what im saying or not at all.

kinda like this response.
 

ericscher

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As long as you are talking about your own personal experiences you are safe.

That doesn't mean there's no chance that some putz wont try to sue you anyway. It would be a lie to say that you're 100% safe from that kind of thing.

But there exists no legal theory that I am aware of that says that your personal life experiences constitute legal liability for someone else's stupidity.
 

digger242j

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As far as I'm aware, much of liability law depends on what a "reasonable person" would do in a given situation.

Personally, if I were on a jury, I'd be pretty easy to convince that somebody who sustained an injury because they did something that they read about on the internet, and didn't take any other precautions that weren't explicitly stated, wasn't acting very reasonably. I think that would insulate anyone here from liability for any advice they might post. (That having been said, I'm not a lawyer, so my advice is worth about what you're paying for it.)

We as forum users are so lucky to have people such as Nige, Cmark, Willie, Lantraxco, Shimmy, Steve (the originator of this site), Tiny and many, many others. The combined knowledge is mind boggling. When these guy talk, I listen. Just the other day, the Thread between Lanway and Nige about a Cat C-9 in high altitude was amazing. I learned a lot.

Now I am not telling people to quit posting or asking questions. Far from it. Bring them on.

Consider this--If the guys who know what they're talking about quit posting, a bunch of guys who are clueless and dangerous are liable to step in and fill the void. Would that be better?
 

John C.

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How could you claim damages for taking advice from an anonymous source on the internet that you didn't pay for? If Dr. Oz can get on TV and make all those claims about pills and food doing miracles for people and not getting the pants sued off him, then I would think we are pretty safe. Just use common sense in your postings and you should be clear.
 

wornout wrench

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As far as I'm aware, much of liability law depends on what a "reasonable person" would do in a given situation.

Personally, if I were on a jury, I'd be pretty easy to convince that somebody who sustained an injury because they did something that they read about on the internet, and didn't take any other precautions that weren't explicitly stated, wasn't acting very reasonably. I think that would insulate anyone here from liability for any advice they might post. (That having been said, I'm not a lawyer, so my advice is worth about what you're paying for it.)



Consider this--If the guys who know what they're talking about quit posting, a bunch of guys who are clueless and dangerous are liable to step in and fill the void. Would that be better?

That is about the last thing that I want to happen.
I have deleted my membership in one of the diesel forums that was pretty much taken over by the Rolling Coal Tards.
Last thing in the world I need is to try to make sense with that group of brain dead... like that group. Well you get the idea
 
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CM1995

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Many, many times I have typed long posts only to delete them for various reasons. It's just part of being a member on an internet community.

I seriously doubt a judge or jury would penalize someone on an internet forum for giving advice - good, bad or indifferent. There is no relationship, no service provided in exchange for payment or contract with the end user of said information other than "I read it on the internet".

Like Digger I'm no lawyer either but it's a stretch, a very long stretch to put liability on an internet forum post.
 

wornout wrench

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How could you claim damages for taking advice from an anonymous source on the internet that you didn't pay for? If Dr. Oz can get on TV and make all those claims about pills and food doing miracles for people and not getting the pants sued off him, then I would think we are pretty safe. Just use common sense in your postings and you should be clear.

Wait, that guy is a real doctor????

Very valid point.

I am not really worried about getting sued, its more of a just wanting to make sure that somebody do not quote me word for word.
When giving advice, there is a certain trust on my part, that you have a bit of a mechanical idea what is going on.

I spent 10 to 15 min on the phone one time giving a guy in a remote logging camp directions on how to do a job that he had never done before.
He called back a few days later and said that it all went well, did everything I told him to and went just the way I said. He was a mechanic with the skill to do the job, just needed a bit of knowledge to back it up. A lot of the stuff I work on, there are no manuals that tell you how to do it.
He knew when I told him to block up this piece, he needed to BLOCK it up.

I don't know, maybe I'm just rambling on here.

Sitting at home waiting for scans and doctors for my back is making me cranky. Just ask my wife:rolleyes:
 

JDOFMEMI

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Wornout wrench

I for one am glad to read the opinion of others on the site. I may not always agree with the advice given, and have at times offered "other" ways to do things, but I always try to keep in mind that at any time there are ten times as many people reading posts as there are replying to them.

I try to keep my advice sanitized and safe, keeping in mind people of all skills may be searching for the answer to their problem. I do enjoy being able to help, and freely give my advice, for what it is worth.

If someone is operating over his skill level, he is likely to have problems, and I hope that by answering questions here I can help to prevent that.

I am not really worried about any repercussions from anyone who reads what I write, but I aim to not cause any harm as a first rule.
 

FSERVICE

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wore out wrench
YES I have thought the same way as you a lot. it seems the lawyers are always looking how to get richer & make a name for themselves!! but the "net" is full of people trying to help others, some good, some are idiots that have no clue WTF they are talking bout or doing!!! that leaves it up to the person to make up their own ideas, right or wrong... PRIME EXAMPLE look at u tube!! I had a guy show me a vid of a guy laying under a Honda car (up on concrete blocks, holes to the side also) rolling in new crank bearings saying it would last many more years!!!
 

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Wornout Wrench

Let me be the first to say I sincerely appreciate being named in your original post. I was a lurker on here for years before I finally decided I might be able to help some guys. Also, I have had more than a few problems solved by the experts on here this past year. It will be a very sad day when we read Willie's last post. As for your question, absolutely. I confess I've never deleted a post due to being nervous about being sued, but because I didn't feel I could do a good enough, or thorough enough job describing something in writing. Some things are just better left to the manual. I agree with everyone else about being part of this community. I would bet that everyone's collective efforts have saved countless owners and operators millions of dollars of labor. Let's keep on keepin' on.
 
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