Does this wire rope need to be replaced?

ichudov · Jul 16, 2015

I bought this Grove-RT60S rough terrain crane.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Grove-Crane/

In that webpage, I have included a couple of pictures of wire rope. It seems to be rusted and may need to be replaced. I wanted to know what you guys think, do I need a new wire rope or not.

Thanks

old-iron-habit · Jul 16, 2015

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ichudov said:
I bought this Grove-RT60S rough terrain crane.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Grove-Crane/

In that webpage, I have included a couple of pictures of wire rope. It seems to be rusted and may need to be replaced. I wanted to know what you guys think, do I need a new wire rope or not.

Thanks

Yes, Especially if you are doing any picking with people around on the hook end. You are only seeing the surface rust. No telling where there is a spot that is rotted internally from where the moisture got repeatedly wet and dried. The only way I would use that cable was if on a clam shell or something that did not matter if it dropped.

ichudov · Jul 16, 2015

Thanks a lot. I also suspected as much. Do any people here know a good place where I can buy good wire rope, maybe online to save a little bit? My manual says I need 720 feet of rope. Thanks

lantraxco · Jul 16, 2015

I wouldn't even pick the hook with that, lol. If I was in a pinch and didn't need the full pull, I would unspool the first layer, cut it off and rerig. But as OIH sez, not with anybody working near a pick.

What part of the world are you in, might be better off to go local, at least you know what you're getting and have someone to yell at if there are any issues?

ichudov · Jul 16, 2015

OK, it turns out that I only needed 350 feet. I bought 350 ft of 1/2" 19x7 wire rope from uscargocontrol.com, which I used a lot to buy trucking supplies.

Next question, lubrication (so that the new rope would not rust out):

I have a lot of new and used hydraulic oil, can I just use that to saturate the wire rope with hydraulic oil? And then reapply maybe every year?

old-iron-habit · Jul 16, 2015

We never ever lubricated wire rope. It was changed often enough to never need it. We did lube pennent lines on the stick cranes. Ask your cable supplier to give you the handbook on care of their cable.

cutting edge · Jul 17, 2015

Please baby Jesus dont let me be within 5 miles of any of this guy's lifts.

ichudov · Jul 17, 2015

cutting edge said:
Please baby Jesus dont let me be within 5 miles of any of this guy's lifts.

Which guy?

old-iron-habit · Jul 17, 2015

ichudov said:
Which guy?

Not trying to be rude but you come across as having zero knowledge about cranes. When inexperianced people and cranes get together, equipment failure, injuries, and death results far to frequently. There is a reason why cranes need yearly certifications in most states and operators need crane certificates. Not sure what you are going to use this machine for but please read the manual, understand the charts, and get a experianced crane operator to work with you for a while. Your life could depend on it.

ichudov · Jul 17, 2015

I think that you are right and you do not come across as rude. I am reading up on crane safety and operation right now and will try to his someone to show us the ropes. I am a scrapper and will use this crane for scrapping. not for construction.

td25c · Jul 17, 2015

Nice find ichudov , I like it :thumbsup

Should come in handy in your operation not to mention customers will be asking you to set something at times with it .

Grove web site has some information on it . This is for an RT60S , scroll down to the bottom and cable specs are in the blue chart depending on what winch it has .

http://www.manitowoccranes.com/~/me... Terrain Models/RT60/RT60S-Specifications.pdf

Load & boom chart for RT60S .

http://www.manitowoccranes.com/~/me...ough Terrain Models/RT60/RT60S-Capacities.pdf

Grove is also pretty good about servicing older units as far as parts go . You need to find out who the dealer is in your area , give them the serial # , and they can tell you exactly what it is . Good luck with it .

ichudov · Jul 17, 2015

The second document is priceless! (I already had the first one). Thank you!!!

I am very aware that 1) cranes are dangerous and 2) There is a lot of potentially dangerous things that are not obvious. I am trying to learn as much as I can and I am generally a careful person.

td25c · Jul 17, 2015

ichudov said:
The second document is priceless! (I already had the first one). Thank you!!!

I am very aware that 1) cranes are dangerous and 2) There is a lot of potentially dangerous things that are not obvious. I am trying to learn as much as I can and I am generally a careful person.

Cool ichudov !

These internet forums seem to be polluted with the whole " safety culture " nonsense . It gets a bit over the top at times

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If someone is scared of there job then they need to look elsewhere for employment & get over it . I don't put up with it & neither do my customers .

Hell ....... It's dangerous getting out of bed in the morning to mow the grass .

Best of luck with the RT60 .

Tradesman · Jul 18, 2015

td25c said:
Cool ichudov !

These internet forums seem to be polluted with the whole " safety culture " nonsense . It gets a bit over the top at times .

If someone is scared of there job then they need to look elsewhere for employment & get over it . I don't put up with it & neither do my customers .

Hell ....... It's dangerous getting out of bed in the morning to mow the grass .

Best of luck with the RT60 .

I second that , I've seen lots of guys with all the training in the world do things that make you wonder how they survive brushing there teeth in the morning without choking them selves, or on the other end of the scale one of the best operators I ever worked with was a iron worker that got sick of driving to the city every day, one day quit and bought a small crane and started a business .He was a guy that just had a ton of common sense and a gift with machinery.
Become a student of what you are doing and always keep in mind the fact that mistakes can more than likely cost a life or serious injury.
Best of luck to you

ichudov · Jul 18, 2015

td25c said:
Cool ichudov !

These internet forums seem to be polluted with the whole " safety culture " nonsense . It gets a bit over the top at times .

If someone is scared of there job then they need to look elsewhere for employment & get over it . I don't put up with it & neither do my customers .

Hell ....... It's dangerous getting out of bed in the morning to mow the grass .

td25c, I agree with you in general, for example about forklifts and so on, too many scaredy cats out there giving advice.

But, at the same time, cranes are special, because they lift things high in the air, people hooking things up may also work high in the air, and if something goes wrong, the consequences are so much bigger than for forklifts.

Plus, forklifts usually do not come close to power lines!

ichudov · Jul 18, 2015

Tradesman said:
I second that , I've seen lots of guys with all the training in the world do things that make you wonder how they survive brushing there teeth in the morning without choking them selves, or on the other end of the scale one of the best operators I ever worked with was a iron worker that got sick of driving to the city every day, one day quit and bought a small crane and started a business .He was a guy that just had a ton of common sense and a gift with machinery.
Become a student of what you are doing and always keep in mind the fact that mistakes can more than likely cost a life or serious injury.
Best of luck to you

OK, you got me, I am curious, how well did that iron worker do with his crane business?

Tradesman · Jul 18, 2015

ichudov said:
OK, you got me, I am curious, how well did that iron worker do with his crane business?

Great! he was the go to guy for trusses and jobs that needed a small crane, he did all of our work till he retired then I bought my first boom truck and progressively learned the job, but i take it very seriously and as my cranes got bigger I made sure I educated myself accordingly, by taking some formal training and reading everything I could get my hands on. Im the first to agree that not everyone has the common sense and the God given ability to do what I and MANY others have, but that doesn't mean that some-one with the drive does not deserve the same chance that I have had .

And I'm not trying to be an ass, but There is way too many pin heads with clip boards telling us working folks how to live our lives.
regards
Tradesman

Buckethead · Jul 18, 2015

td25c said:
Cool ichudov !

These internet forums seem to be polluted with the whole " safety culture " nonsense . It gets a bit over the top at times .

If someone is scared of there job then they need to look elsewhere for employment & get over it . I don't put up with it & neither do my customers .

Hell ....... It's dangerous getting out of bed in the morning to mow the grass .

Best of luck with the RT60 .

I understand, but we have all seen close calls that nearly resulted in injury. And there are so many life changing or life ending accidents that are preventable, when it comes to rigging, better to be on the safe side. Everyone always thinks it will never happen to them.

td25c · Jul 18, 2015

Tradesman said:
Great! he was the go to guy for trusses and jobs that needed a small crane, he did all of our work till he retired then I bought my first boom truck and progressively learned the job, but i take it very seriously and as my cranes got bigger I made sure I educated myself accordingly, by taking some formal training and reading everything I could get my hands on. Im the first to agree that not everyone has the common sense and the God given ability to do what I and MANY others have, but that doesn't mean that some-one with the drive does not deserve the same chance that I have had .

And I'm not trying to be an ass, but There is way too many pin heads with clip boards telling us working folks how to live our lives.
regards
Tradesman

That's cool Tradesman ! My background story is very similar to yours on the crane side . Got to know the local crane guy while working as a truck/equipment mechanic in my early 20's . Then after I branched out in to excavating we would use him when we needed a crane . About 8 years ago ended up buying one of his hydro rigs for our own jobs . That worked out great for us plus I enjoy it . Then last summer bought the remaining rigs & parts inventory .

Keep up the good work Tradesman .

td25c · Jul 18, 2015

Buckethead said:
I understand, but we have all seen close calls that nearly resulted in injury. And there are so many life changing or life ending accidents that are preventable, when it comes to rigging, better to be on the safe side. Everyone always thinks it will never happen to them.

Well said Buckethead . I agree totally . A crane operator has some skin in the game . As an owner operator we have all of it on the line .

But then again a lot of trades are like this and can be just as dangerous . A job is only as dangerous as we make it , whatever you are doing .

All in all crane operators are some of the safest best organized people I've been around . I'm to the point now where I don't worry about the job site itself , if I don't like how a job is going we just stop & regroup as needed .

Where we are most likely to have an accident is when moving to & from jobs on the road .

I'm glad you chimed in on this Buckethead .

I done a little digging in the archive's this afternoon & came up with some Grove manuals for ichudov's RT60 crane .

PM me a mailing address or P.O. box number if interested ichudov and I will send them your way .

Does this wire rope need to be replaced?

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