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Experience with BRON tile plows?

450 Bron

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not sure how long Tait has been building plows for... I think its safe to say they haven't built a brand new one for 10 years?? just a guess though.
 

450 Bron

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That's a nice plow 450 Bron, love the color and what not!

Would love to spend some time on those machines. I'm in the Grand Forks, ND area and see a good share of tile plow equipment and what not, but have never been around it coming from Colorado.

There's a very large drainage contractor just north of Frago, ND and they've got to have four or five bigger BRON plows and then probably half a dozen older D7's I believe; very large operation.

Question for you operators: in a good day of plowing, how much tile would you guys be able to lay using such a machine?

In our area its rare that we work in a field larger than 100 acres, my best day ever is 58000' in one day. That's 14.5 rolls of pipe, an average day around here 25000'.... would love to get out in some large fields in your area, open'r up!
 

450 Bron

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Yair . . . these machines and the entire concept of broad acre drainage being cost effective fascinate me.

Does the situation where paddocks benefit from drainage arise because they are subject to snow melt?

What sort of rim pull numbers would such machines develop . . . it seems hard to imagine they utilize an excavator final drive.

Cheers.

in our neighbourhood snow melt is a huge factor in the need for farm drainage, dries the field earlier to create a longer growing season for the farmer. these machines do not use excavator final drives, they use much larger Rexroth finals.
 

Randy88

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Scrub, there are a lot of factors as to why farmers install drain tile, soil types, terrain, subsoil types, water table levels, field locations, yearly rainfall amounts, crops being grown, but the bottom line is, tile pays big dividends over time to farmers, especially at the cost per acre to grow any crop, the investment is so high on a per acre basis verse the profit per acre that tile lessens to risk to achieve a profit year in and year out is the nuts and bolts of the issue.

With combines today almost all equipped with both mapping and yield data, it makes it very easy for farmers to talk themselves into tiling land, they have all the data they need at a glance when harvesting crops, whereas decades ago, farmers went with averages after harvest to determine what needed tiling, today, they can narrow it down to even the spacing they want, what will profit them the most on a per field basis.

The narrower the margins are for profit, the higher the input costs, the more vital role tile plays in profitability, and that's how its viewed by most, farmers and bankers both want consistency and predictability, tile provides that to the equation on a lot of farm fields, history has shown this over and over again.

450 Bron, thanks for the information on Tait.
 

Scrub Puller

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Yair . . . Randy88. I really do appreciate the time it took for you to put up that reply. . . it is very difficult for me to get my head around the concept of broad acre drainage, snow melt and all the other issues you folks have to contend with.

Our issues here are waiting for the rain to plant. Moisture reserves in the profile are money in the bank . . . or at least grain into the bin . . . that's if you've dodged the locusts and hordes of kangaroos.

450 Bron. Thanks for the heads up on the Rexroth finals.

I have asked before and may have missed any reply . . . does any one install tile with a winch or is it all brute force and rimpull?

I note a few outfits here are winching six and eight inch pipe six feet deep into hard black soil which would be impossible with traction.

I have not seen the process but I am told one outfit is shop built based on a couple of D8H's one equipped with a purpose built spud and winch arrangement.

Cheers.
 

Randy88

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Scrub, I've seen the cable pulled versions you have there, its completely different here, were we tile, the ground is wet or so water logged, we use winches to help us through the wet spots and area's, some pull tile in with plows, others still trench in tile, just depends on the style of tiling you do, what the soil types your working with and a host of other issues.

Most of the plows use dozers in front to help pull them, multiple dozers even to keep the plow moving forward depending on conditions being run in, whether its mud, frost, frozen ground or flat out a bottomless swamp, dictates how things are done, or how much traction or hp it takes to get the job done.

A lot of area's don't tile at all, they have the very same conditions you have there and require irrigation to grow crops, other areas still are using subsurface irrigation systems, basically they flood drain tile lines with a flow restrictor on the end to water fields, it just depends on where your at, what your needs are, what growing conditions your area has.
 
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