I have a neighbor that wants to put up a hog barn and I have a dozer and excavator and they want to know if im interested in the job. Mostly I just do stuff for our own farm but its something im willing to do. The barn is going to be 54x200 with and 8ft deep pit and the measurments is with 3' overdig. its on flat ground so i'll probably rent a scraper for the majority of it and place the dirt around the edges of the barn so there really isn't any long hauls. They just want an estimate of what its going to cost. I have a D6R and a 324DL and would probably rent a 15 or 18yd scraper. Can anybody help me out on what to charge? or charge per yard?
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Estimating costs of digging a hog barn pit
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Shimmy1
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Are you spoiling the excavated material onsite? Are you using it for building more area? Does it need to be leveled and compacted? How far you need to move it will determine price. Sounds like about 3500 yds to move. If you are going to just waste out the spoil, $1.50/yd³ is what I would ask for. Move it more than a few hundred feet, another $.50. If you run into rocks, there's another $.50. Plus a rock picker running around for $90 per hour. Level and compact, add another $1. I would stake it out, hog out the middle with scraper, staying about 10 feet in all around, then dig the sides and ends with the hoe, top loading the scraper. If you don't have to shift the dirt more than a couple hundred feet, you should be able to do it in a few days, maybe less.
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Why would you rent a scraper when you have a 324DL and a D6R? As Shimmy said that's around 3500 CY's depending on the swell factor of the material. I would dig the hole with the excavator and spread it with the D6 and be done since it doesn't need to be compacted - first thought. :cool2
Now you said the land is flat, 3500 CY's of material is a lot of material to spread out on flat ground and that is the kicker. Are the walls for the pit going to be at ground level at 8' or are the walls taller than 8' which would need backfill around the barn? Can you make a berm nearby or waste it close in a lower area?
Just too many variables to give pricing at this point. Post some pics of the site.
Now you said the land is flat, 3500 CY's of material is a lot of material to spread out on flat ground and that is the kicker. Are the walls for the pit going to be at ground level at 8' or are the walls taller than 8' which would need backfill around the barn? Can you make a berm nearby or waste it close in a lower area?
Just too many variables to give pricing at this point. Post some pics of the site.
Landclearer
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I am with CM. Use the 324 and the 6R. At 54 feet wide you could almost pull the whole thing in two passes, one down each side and swing around and cast it as far away as possible than let the 6 push it out. Again CM is right 3500 yards is lot to loose on flat ground. That is enough to cover an acre with 2 feet of material. That said, you should be able to do it in two days unless you are spreading it thin and doing a long push.
Shimmy1
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Well, if you're not having to worry about compaction, then this should be piece of cake. The question then becomes what is it going to cost. Do they want it done as cheap as possible, or just want you to do it. Hogging it with the scraper will be cheaper, no question. You will move the majority of that dirt the first day. 12 good hours with the scraper at $240 per hour, no dozer needed. Then, second day cutting the ends and sides with hoe and dozer, $210 (?) for the hoe, $135 for the dozer, done deal. So, based on these numbers, if you dug the whole thing with the hoe, it would cost around $8500. If you had a scraper, about $7000. If you have more work for the scraper, then renting the scraper would not be an issue. If you're only going to rent the scraper for this job, and they are okay with the cost of digging it with the hoe, use your own equipment. But, if cost is a factor in you getting the job, the scraper WILL get it done cheaper. My per hour costs are what we get around here, I might be way off for your area.
LT-x7
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Im with CM on this one, I would use the ex and dozer and forget about the scraper.
It might be a different story if you had more dirt to move, then it might be worth hauling in a scarper. It takes a lot of risk out of the whole deal using the equipment you own.
Before I throw out a dollar amount I would like some clarification on "the dirt placed around the edges" on a site that is flat. That leaves you with a mountain of dirt about 8'x20' surrounding the entire barn. Is this really going to work?
It might be a different story if you had more dirt to move, then it might be worth hauling in a scarper. It takes a lot of risk out of the whole deal using the equipment you own.
Before I throw out a dollar amount I would like some clarification on "the dirt placed around the edges" on a site that is flat. That leaves you with a mountain of dirt about 8'x20' surrounding the entire barn. Is this really going to work?
Construct'O
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I have done a few of these.If your digging it on flat ground you don't need to go 8 foot deep,unless there something else they was to do with the extra spoils.Just for example go 6' use the spoils on the outside for the last 2' of the walls.The plus here is if they it is level they need drainage away from the building when done.
Several other thing was answered above,I agree.We need more info.Like are they going to be adding more building later?If so then the they might need more spoils to level off larger area.
Several other thing was answered above,I agree.We need more info.Like are they going to be adding more building later?If so then the they might need more spoils to level off larger area.
stumpjumper83
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Imho, that's not enough dirt to bother renting a pan for. A Terex ts14 can move 2k yards a day and more on a short haul, but it requires a push cat. You already have a suitable size excavator, a couple dumps and a decent day and its done. Let your truck drivers double as grade rod holders and your done in 2 days. You will need 2 trucks on a short run, maybe three on a longer one. So that's 2 hired trucks, and 2 operators, for 2 days. Compared to a pans set up would be 2 operators, 1 laborer, and 2 days work. Add in the rental costs of the pan and the mobilization charges of the pan and your in the hole.
If you were doing the work regularily, a pull pan behind the 6 would the the ideal set up, have a light bar on the pan and your a one man operation.
If you were doing the work regularily, a pull pan behind the 6 would the the ideal set up, have a light bar on the pan and your a one man operation.
movindirt
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While it may be cheaper with a pan, how much to rent one for a day? By time you pay rental and delivery on one it seems it may be just as profitable to do it with the 324D and the 6R
Shimmy1
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I believe I have covered those exact points. I said if he has more work for the scraper, get the scraper, hog it out, rock on to the next job. BUT, if this is all he has for the pan, he should use his own iron UNLESS cost is going to factor into getting the job. Then, whatever happens next is up to him. Now, I assume he is thinking about renting a pull pan. If not, well then he's WAY out in left field. I would never consider for a heartbeat renting a self-propelled scraper for this small a job.